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really hope the fella pulls through , not nice to see such a young man have this happen to him but what was all that clapping at the games yesterday for him it was like he was dead all ready.
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Just heard that he is showing a slight improvement and breathing unaided,a step in the right direction hopefully!
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Talking in French and English and can recognise visitors. That's a great sign. Also able to move legs so things are looking better than expected. Keep fighting mate!
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Quote Crystalised at 19 Mar 2012 11.14am
Quote Stuk at 19 Mar 2012 10.52am
10 minutes of mouth to mouth and 2 hours to restart his heart. Even if he doesn't get to play again, any sort of recovery is a result. Best of luck to him. Don't even mention playing.People with heart defects should never be allowed to play on the professional level. It's ridiculous that club doctors often ignore minor heart anomalies and do not investigate it further. We almost lost another young life because of this complacency Good luck Fabrice
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Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
Quote Crystalised at 19 Mar 2012 11.14am
Quote Stuk at 19 Mar 2012 10.52am
10 minutes of mouth to mouth and 2 hours to restart his heart. Even if he doesn't get to play again, any sort of recovery is a result. Best of luck to him. Don't even mention playing.People with heart defects should never be allowed to play on the professional level. It's ridiculous that club doctors often ignore minor heart anomalies and do not investigate it further. We almost lost another young life because of this complacency Good luck Fabrice
(this is a different Crystallised). If it's an arrhythmic heart beat it can be managed effectively [Link] Agree that it is not so much ignorance but the problem of unpredictable, isolated occurence. I am still hoping and wishing desperately that Fabrice will pull through. He is an inspiration (moved to this country without any knowledge of language, got three a-levels, pursued his dream.)
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Quote Crystallised at 19 Mar 2012 10.11pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
Quote Crystalised at 19 Mar 2012 11.14am
Quote Stuk at 19 Mar 2012 10.52am
10 minutes of mouth to mouth and 2 hours to restart his heart. Even if he doesn't get to play again, any sort of recovery is a result. Best of luck to him. Don't even mention playing.People with heart defects should never be allowed to play on the professional level. It's ridiculous that club doctors often ignore minor heart anomalies and do not investigate it further. We almost lost another young life because of this complacency Good luck Fabrice
(this is a different Crystallised). If it's an arrhythmic heart beat it can be managed effectively [Link] Agree that it is not so much ignorance but the problem of unpredictable, isolated occurence. I am still hoping and wishing desperately that Fabrice will pull through. He is an inspiration (moved to this country without any knowledge of language, got three a-levels, pursued his dream.)
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Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
I cannot believe they ignore heart anomalies, how many players have collapsed with heart problems? it does happen of course but very rare. Its because 99 time out of 100 they're just that, anomalies, that never manifest as a problem till later in life, and it becomes trickier to study heart anomolies in atheletes because their physical natures are extremes and performances are very unpredictable. Medicine isn't an exact science, its diagnostics isn't a branch of precision medicine like surgery, you diagnose from symptoms, and tests. An irregular heartbeat could be anything, but short of cracking open the chest and taking a closer look, being certain is much more about responding to treatment. Also bear in mind that even if they did find an anomoly Fabrice had been playing football professionally and training regularly since he was a young teen, and played countless games of professional football without any problem. These kinds of things happen everyday, across the country, to anyone. Kid at our school dropped dead of a stroke aged 15, another one at college with a stroke aged 20. Unlikely, the long term impact of suffering a massive cardiac arrest and the stress that puts on the cardiovascular system means he'll probably never fully recover enough to play football, even if there is no other damage.
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Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 10.33pm
With all this publicity and witnessing of his attack, we should hopefully all benefit with more understanding of heart resuscitation. Everyone could benefit from doing a first aid course, you can usually get them through work, and you'll get paid a small fee for doing so, each week. You can even do a half day defibulation course (remarkably easy devices to use, over dramatised by TV). The biggest factor in survival chances of a heart attack, stroke etc is the provision of immediate medical assistance. The role of First Aid is to keep the patient alive until the EMTs can take over.
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Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
There is no reason why this chap ( if OK ) cannot carry on playing, as long as they discover his problem and are able to solve it!! Unfortunately, this is very, very unlikely. As soon as the heart stops beating the blood (carrying oxygen) is no longer pumped to the heart muscle and cells begin to die. With the amount of time Muamba's heart was stopped, I suspect there will be a fair amount of damage to the heart muscle and I would be absolutely astonished if he could get anywhere near playing competitive sport in the future. At the moment, if you want to pray for him, pray that oxygen starvation to the brain hasn't left him brain damaged and consider it a fantastic achievement by the medics if he isn't.
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Great to see so many people posting positive things on this thread, rather than trying to be funny. Jamie's right - this happens to people every day, and some far younger than Fabrice. The lad who captained the youth cricket team I played for collapsed and died at 15, whilst watching a football match because of an undetected heart problem. However, when something like this happens to someone so publically, it reminds people that there is far more to life than football, and (alas poor Yoric) provides an unavoidable vision of our own mortality. It's been amazing to see the way English football as a whole has reacted to the situation. The other think that I found amazing was reading about Fabrice's life in the Independent on Sunday. He's certainly experienced a lot in his young life, and seems genuinely brave, modest and grateful for the opportunities he's been afforded. For those who don't know, he and his father fleed the civil war in the Democratic Republic of Congo when he was 11, as his father had been involved in the political side of things and their lives were in danger. Britain granted them asylum, and Fabrice has obviously gone on to become a very decent footballer (representing England at four age levels, I believe). In a recent interview, he talked about the probability of having to sneak back into Congo secretly to visit his family - saying that he was prepared to do so. He also went on for some time about how he realises that his comforable way of living is completely out of the ordinary, and how he is grateful every day for his opportunity. I think, whenever something bad happens to someone, there is a tendency to dress them up as being 'better than they were'. George Best, for example was remembered as a great footballer and great company when he died - rather than a wife-beating boozer. In this case though, - it looks like someone genuinely deserving has suffered a shocking blow to his life. I really hope he continues his recovery and finds happiness outside football (as he's hugely unlikely to ever play again).
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Quote Moose at 20 Mar 2012 9.40am
Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
There is no reason why this chap ( if OK ) cannot carry on playing, as long as they discover his problem and are able to solve it!! Unfortunately, this is very, very unlikely. As soon as the heart stops beating the blood (carrying oxygen) is no longer pumped to the heart muscle and cells begin to die. With the amount of time Muamba's heart was stopped, I suspect there will be a fair amount of damage to the heart muscle and I would be absolutely astonished if he could get anywhere near playing competitive sport in the future. At the moment, if you want to pray for him, pray that oxygen starvation to the brain hasn't left him brain damaged and consider it a fantastic achievement by the medics if he isn't.
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Quote cornwalls palace at 20 Mar 2012 11.06am
Quote Moose at 20 Mar 2012 9.40am
Quote cornwalls palace at 19 Mar 2012 8.52pm
There is no reason why this chap ( if OK ) cannot carry on playing, as long as they discover his problem and are able to solve it!! Unfortunately, this is very, very unlikely. As soon as the heart stops beating the blood (carrying oxygen) is no longer pumped to the heart muscle and cells begin to die. With the amount of time Muamba's heart was stopped, I suspect there will be a fair amount of damage to the heart muscle and I would be absolutely astonished if he could get anywhere near playing competitive sport in the future. At the moment, if you want to pray for him, pray that oxygen starvation to the brain hasn't left him brain damaged and consider it a fantastic achievement by the medics if he isn't.
They did get to him quickly, but damage would have been done even in the first minute before the oxygen was administered. I had a heart attack in my 30s and was extremely lucky to survive it as I was in the ambulance when I had VF. Despite there being minimal damage to the heart muscle itself, I still have to be very careful with overdoing exercise and am on a fairly strict regime. From my experience I would imagine that Muamba (even should he recover fully mentally) will have next to no chance of playing competitive football again, let alone top class football. We'll see, though - I'm amazed he survived Saturday at all.
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