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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio.
The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive.
That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare!
What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away.
As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe.

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...


I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 31 Oct 12 2.10pm

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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio.
The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive.
That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare!
What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away.
As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe.

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...


I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

 

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Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about.

 


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 31 Oct 2012 2.25pm

Put me in charge of welfare, then you'd really have something to moan about.


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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 2.10pm

Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio.
The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive.
That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare!
What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away.
As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe.

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...


I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Oct 12 3.09pm

Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am

Why should we pay for people to have a spare room?

Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves?

Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs.

Realistically speaking, rehousing people because they have a small spare room will just create even more strain on the system, as there is, as we all know a shortage of space, and moving someone in is going to be a nightmare of epic proporitions if they have a private landlord or family present.

Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 31 Oct 12 3.12pm

Quote Stuk at 31 Oct 2012 2.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 2.10pm

Quote becky at 31 Oct 2012 2.01pm

Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 10.24am

My dad will be affected. His house has been altered at a great cost since he had a stroke. The spare room is used for him to do much needed physio.
The cost of doing up a smaller place would be quite expensive.
That said, there is a shortage of housing. But so many people would need to be moved that it would be a logistical nightmare!
What would the situation be if one of the kids goes to uni? Does their room become 'spare' whilst away.
As usual, the situation isn't as black and white as some believe.

It would be good if those with empty second homes were penalised too,but as usual, the better off seem to have things in their favour...


I doubt anyone is having their empty second home funded by the taxpayer through housing benefits!

no one is saying they are. However, it does highlight the different ways the well off and less well off are treated.

No it doesn't. It highlights that no one can tell you what to do with a property you pay for yourself, in it's entirety, and rightly so.

Of course the problem with second homes, and rental properties that remain vaccant is that they do cost the taxpayer, by artifical inflation of rental prices resulting in higher burdens of housing benefit. Its an indirect cost.

Arguably people who claim benefits also pay for property themselves, given the manner in which welfare operates, as most of those who are claiming benefits against property will have been tax payers.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 31 Oct 2012 9.50am

Apparently from next April, those on housing benefit will lose money if they have a spare room. This will affect many disabled people
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It's not a tax though. Tax is what you pay on something, it's a reduction in benefits. They are getting less money.

If there is one thing guaranteed to piss of the general public quicker than anything else, it is people complaining about getting less free money.

 

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View Ibanez's Profile Ibanez 31 Oct 12 3.22pm Send a Private Message to Ibanez Add Ibanez as a friend

I think its worth pointing out a few things:

- This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required.

- The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons).

- The UK's housing benefit bill is insanely huge and is so incredibly generous that, in some cases, it allows people who qualify to live in superior accommodation to many who pay their own way. It needs cutting and only the most hardened socialist would disagree. Stopping people from getting it for larger houses than they require is nothing other than common sense.

Benefits should be about need, not luxury.

 

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Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 3.22pm

I think its worth pointing out a few things:

- This is not a tax at all. It is a proposed reduction in free money for those who have more rooms than required.

- The details are not anywhere near finalised and it is premature to assume that there won't be safeguards to protect those who legitimately need extra rooms (e.g. for medical reasons).

- The UK's housing benefit bill is insanely huge and is so incredibly generous that, in some cases, it allows people who qualify to live in superior accommodation to many who pay their own way. It needs cutting and only the most hardened socialist would disagree. Stopping people from getting it for larger houses than they require is nothing other than common sense.

Benefits should be about need, not luxury.


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 31 Oct 2012 3.09pm

Quote Ibanez at 31 Oct 2012 10.02am

Why should we pay for people to have a spare room?

Seems quite reasonable that if they want more rooms than they need then perhaps they should pay for it themselves?

Why not provide housing benefit for people so they can remain in their home during a period of transition between jobs.

Realistically speaking, rehousing people because they have a small spare room will just create even more strain on the system, as there is, as we all know a shortage of space, and moving someone in is going to be a nightmare of epic proporitions if they have a private landlord or family present.

Stupid, impractical and costly idea wheeled out by politicians dedicated to being popular rather than being practical.


I agree with your first paragraph - I like the German model of very generous benefits for those recently out of work but very limited money for those who are long term unemployed and not seriously looking for work.

Rehousing would be unpleasant but I think its preferable to the tax payer paying for people to live far beyond their means forever. It has to stop somewhere.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 31 Oct 12 3.37pm

Thought I had a spare bedroom but turned out to be a study.

Also when is a box room a box room and not a cupboard or walk in wardrobe or similar 2010s living requirement?

 


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