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serial thriller The Promised Land 22 May 13 8.18pm
Had quite an intense with a mate of mine today about one of the great celebrated figures of this nation's political history. I think I may have brought this up on here before but I've always held the view that Churchill is viewed as a great leader because he won. Had he lost, I believe a lot of questionable stuff the British did would have come out, but instead it's wiped under the carpet and we continue to moan about those nasty Germans with their concentration camps (an idea they knicked off us) and anti-Semitism (which was thriving in Britain in the 30s). The clearest example of this for me is the Bengal Famine. Churchill, fearful that the Japs might invade northern India, decided rather than evacuate the natives, he would just stop sending them food and shelter (in the middle of a famine) leading to millions of deaths, some claim on a similar scale as the number of Jews killed in concentration camps. When asked about this, Churchill blamed them for 'breeding like rabbits'. He also supported a Bill to sterilise the mentally disabled (I'm not making this up! [Link] a form of, err, eugenics. So let's look at the evidence: a mass-murderer, who supported racial purification, but won a lot of people over because he was a good public speaker and adopted the role as figurehead of a nation. Now who does that remind me of... Anyone willing to defend him? Edited by serial thriller (22 May 2013 8.18pm) If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Had quite an intense with a mate of mine today about one of the great celebrated figures of this nation's political history.

I think I may have brought this up on here before but I've always held the view that Churchill is viewed as a great leader because he won. Had he lost, I believe a lot of questionable stuff the British did would have come out, but instead it's wiped under the carpet and we continue to moan about those nasty Germans with their concentration camps (an idea they knicked off us) and anti-Semitism (which was thriving in Britain in the 30s).

The clearest example of this for me is the Bengal Famine. Churchill, fearful that the Japs might invade northern India, decided rather than evacuate the natives, he would just stop sending them food and shelter (in the middle of a famine) leading to millions of deaths, some claim on a similar scale as the number of Jews killed in concentration camps. When asked about this, Churchill blamed them for 'breeding like rabbits'.

He also supported a Bill to sterilise the mentally disabled (I'm not making this up! [Link] a form of, err, eugenics.

So let's look at the evidence: a mass-murderer, who supported racial purification, but won a lot of people over because he was a good public speaker and adopted the role as figurehead of a nation.

Now who does that remind me of...

Anyone willing to defend him?

Edited by serial thriller (22 May 2013 8.18pm)

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 22 May 13 8.39pm
Yeah, but he was our prick. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Yeah, but he was our prick.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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Kermit8 Hevon 22 May 13 8.41pm
You forgot about poisonous gas in Kashmir. War crimes stuff today. Gotta forgive him all that for beating The Hun though. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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You forgot about poisonous gas in Kashmir. War crimes stuff today.

Gotta forgive him all that for beating The Hun though.

Big chest and massive boobs

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 22 May 13 8.41pm
and the Americans like to think he was partly their prick. PS I have always thought lucky rather than good, there are many instances of Winny being extremely wrong. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 22 May 13 8.41pm

and the Americans like to think he was partly their prick.

PS I have always thought lucky rather than good, there are many instances of Winny being extremely wrong.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Bin Liner London , Southfields 22 May 13 8.52pm
sadly up there with the Great Man/Mao/Pot/Stalin/Khan, no one can hold a light to the Fuhrer, don't the Japs kick everyone to s***e though? Edited by Bin Liner (22 May 2013 8.54pm) Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly
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London , Southfields 22 May 13 8.52pm

sadly up there with the Great Man/Mao/Pot/Stalin/Khan, no one can hold a light to the Fuhrer, don't the Japs kick everyone to s***e though?

Edited by Bin Liner (22 May 2013 8.54pm)

Portillo's teeth removed to boost pound

Boy roasts himself in sacrifice to Chris Kelly

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Pinky Kent 23 May 13 7.54am
Also used armed troops to force miners back to work in the north-east during the General Strike. My grandad (miner, WW1 veteran) hated Churchill's guts. And a grateful nation kicked the nasty b****** out of office after they'd sorted out the mess and misery created by the crisis of capitalism in the 30s and 40s.
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Also used armed troops to force miners back to work in the north-east during the General Strike. My grandad (miner, WW1 veteran) hated Churchill's guts. And a grateful nation kicked the nasty b****** out of office after they'd sorted out the mess and misery created by the crisis of capitalism in the 30s and 40s.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 May 13 8.10am
No doubt he was a cnt. He offered the Oirish fighting in WW2 independence, and then had a selective memory. But to counter that, the Oirsh kept their houses well lit during the blitz, to avoid them being bombed, but which also acted as a marker for the Luwaffe to bomb the NW of England. He also wanted to invade Russia at the end of WW2, but was out-voted. He was indeed a cnt, but where would we be right now with an even bigger cnt in Chamberlain ? And the Furher was simply brilliant. His only mistake was to take on Russia with insufficient forces/supply chains. And then the fcking Japs got involved and brought the USA into the war. German military might was simply awesome. They just bit a teensy bit more than they could chew. However, England wouldn't have survived the Blitz without Churchill Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 May 2013 8.15am) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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No doubt he was a cnt.
He offered the Oirish fighting in WW2 independence, and then had a selective memory.
But to counter that, the Oirsh kept their houses well lit during the blitz, to avoid them being bombed, but which also acted as a marker for the Luwaffe to bomb the NW of England.
He also wanted to invade Russia at the end of WW2, but was out-voted.

He was indeed a cnt, but where would we be right now with an even bigger cnt in Chamberlain ?

And the Furher was simply brilliant. His only mistake was to take on Russia with insufficient forces/supply chains. And then the fcking Japs got involved and brought the USA into the war.

German military might was simply awesome. They just bit a teensy bit more than they could chew.
However, England wouldn't have survived the Blitz without Churchill

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"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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since1953 Maidenhead 23 May 13 8.28am
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits,slovenly systems of agriculture,sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement,the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine,must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.It has already spread throughout Central Africa , raising fearless warriors at every step;and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled,the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome ." Sir Winston Churchill; 1875 to 1965 (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 London ).
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"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits,slovenly systems of agriculture,sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement,the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine,must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.It has already spread throughout Central Africa , raising fearless warriors at every step;and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled,the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome ."

Sir Winston Churchill; 1875 to 1965
(Source: The River War, first edition, Vol II, pages 248-250
London ).

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bright&wright 23 May 13 8.56am
Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face. It's a shame he helped save people like you. 'We are going to make a little bit of history here� Mr. J. Ertl.
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Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face.

It's a shame he helped save people like you.

'We are going to make a little bit of history here� Mr. J. Ertl.

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Icepick Tony Chester 23 May 13 9.03am
Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 8.56am Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face. It's a shame he helped save people like you. Wow. "They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway
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Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 8.56am

Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face.

It's a shame he helped save people like you.

Wow.

"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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bright&wright 23 May 13 9.06am
Quote Icepick Tony at 23 May 2013 9.03am Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 8.56am Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face. It's a shame he helped save people like you. Wow. Yeah that rolling eyes icon gets way over used on here. I'm merely offering to have a face-to-face to chat about it. I'm sure he'll be defending the actions of Islamic terrorists next. 'We are going to make a little bit of history here� Mr. J. Ertl.
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Quote Icepick Tony at 23 May 2013 9.03am

Quote bright&wright at 23 May 2013 8.56am

Wembley. Block 140. Row 31. Seat 182. Come and tell me Churchill was a pr*ck to my face.

It's a shame he helped save people like you.

Wow.

Yeah that rolling eyes icon gets way over used on here. I'm merely offering to have a face-to-face to chat about it.

I'm sure he'll be defending the actions of Islamic terrorists next.

'We are going to make a little bit of history here� Mr. J. Ertl.

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