You've innadvertantly hit on the real issue...its not a game for the working class any more Rudi...just puffed up prawn eating bloaters who want to sit down all teh way through the game and complain about everything!

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You are suggesting that it's the working classes that don't know right from wrong and they should be allowed to chant whatever they want at football matches whether it offends others or not.

Also by inference anyone that isn't working class is a "puffed up prawn eating bloater" etc.

Unless you're a Yid or black (or both, a 'blid') you're not really in a position to know whether that's true or not. I have heard anecdotes from Spurs supporting friends of Jewish people that are not in the slightest bit offended by the term when used at their ground. It's about context. As much as the N word is used by some black people.

Incorrect. Anti-zionism objects to a Jewish state which encompasses in it's entirety the region described historically as various things, e.g. the promised/holy land/Palestine etc. Especially if this means the displacement of the people already living there.

Anti-zionism does not (to my knowledge) object to the existence or establishment of a Jewish state as such.

I wouldn't describe myself as an anti-zionist, but I do think that it was a mistake in 1948 to establish a Jewish state in such a volatile and historically sensitive region, simply because it was promised in a book of middle age desert lore. Surely it would have been better to carve an additional bit off Germany and establish a Jewish state there, or do it in a largely unoccupied part of the world? Just my opinion, anyway. I support completely the right of Jewish self determination.

Zionism is a political movement that believes that Jews cannot co-exist with non Jews and that they therefore require their own separate state. Not all Jews are Zionists. In fact before the Holocaust, Zionism was a minority movement amongst Jews.

To be anti-Zionist is not to be anti semitic, it just means to be opposed to the politics of Zionism not to be be hostile to Jews.

Personally I do not support the Zionist project in Israel because the Zionist state was been built at the expense of the Arab population. There will only be peace in the region when there is a multinational secular state within the historic borders of Palestine with equal rights for Jews and Arabs.

That does not make me anti semitic. I think Anelka's gesture was anti-semitic and offensive and that therefore he should treated in the same way as Terry and Suarez. Anyone who thinks that the Holocaust can be the subject of banter between football fans is an ignorant moron.

Wrong my friend,plain and simple.I am personally Jewish and not a zionist.But,it is important to define terms correctly.Zionism is essentially as per I set it out.

It is fine to be against what Israel does or has done,but it is important not to misrepresent terms.

It is true that it encompasses the territory defined as the Land of Israel, and this explains precisely why anti-Zionism rejects the notion of a Jewish state altogether: because Zionism is predicated solely on a return to the Land of Israel - the recognised Jewish homeland.

Personally speaking, having lived in Israel I can completely empathise with the Jewish predicament. Israel is the size of Wales; it comprises a fraction of a percent of the rest of the Middle East; it is, whether one accepts it or not, the birthplace of Judaism, where Jews lived for millennia peacefully. They do not want to be a nomadic people again (as anti-Zionists demand) because it leaves them further open to genocide. Self-determination is the self-fulfilment of the Jewish people. It is a romantic notion for them to return there (being football supporters we all understand romanticism).