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Mapletree Croydon 10 Feb 14 1.16pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Feb 2014 1.04pm Quote Joeberto at 09 Feb 2014 3.05pm Quote Plane at 09 Feb 2014 2.58pm Quote StainesPalace at 09 Feb 2014 9.01am Keeper clearly won the ball was never a penalty. Great finish tho. I think we'll end up playing Chamakh and Murray up front. Getting a minute touch on ball as the keeper takes out the forward does not mean he played the ball. Yep, Foster did get a touch but if he hadn't slid through and brought Cham down he would have strode on and knocked it into an empty net! Pen all the way. From the referees angle I don't think he'd have seen it. Its took me a few replays to see that it might not have been a penalty. Managers have the benefit of bias and replays to make their decision, but the referee has to call it. The manager complaining that if it was a penalty the keeper should have been sent off is absurd. The Referee I think made a good call. Penalty and no card. OK, he was moving away from goal a little but surely should have been a yellow?
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Croydon 10 Feb 14 1.16pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Feb 2014 1.04pm

Quote Joeberto at 09 Feb 2014 3.05pm

Quote Plane at 09 Feb 2014 2.58pm

Quote StainesPalace at 09 Feb 2014 9.01am

Keeper clearly won the ball was never a penalty. Great finish tho. I think we'll end up playing Chamakh and Murray up front.

Getting a minute touch on ball as the keeper takes out the forward does not mean he played the ball.

Yep, Foster did get a touch but if he hadn't slid through and brought Cham down he would have strode on and knocked it into an empty net! Pen all the way.

From the referees angle I don't think he'd have seen it. Its took me a few replays to see that it might not have been a penalty. Managers have the benefit of bias and replays to make their decision, but the referee has to call it.

The manager complaining that if it was a penalty the keeper should have been sent off is absurd. The Referee I think made a good call. Penalty and no card.

OK, he was moving away from goal a little but surely should have been a yellow?

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 10 Feb 14 1.29pm
Definitely wasn't a penalty IMO but regardless, the ref gave it and it was stuck away very well by Chammers La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 10 Feb 14 1.29pm

Definitely wasn't a penalty IMO but regardless, the ref gave it and it was stuck away very well by Chammers

La la la your mum

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Plane Bromley 10 Feb 14 1.34pm
Quote madcap_v2 at 10 Feb 2014 1.29pm Definitely wasn't a penalty IMO but regardless, the ref gave it and it was stuck away very well by Chammers You're basically saying that any player can up end another as long as the player making the tackle at least gets a touch on the ball, then that's legal?
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Plane

Bromley 10 Feb 14 1.34pm

Quote madcap_v2 at 10 Feb 2014 1.29pm

Definitely wasn't a penalty IMO but regardless, the ref gave it and it was stuck away very well by Chammers

You're basically saying that any player can up end another as long as the player making the tackle at least gets a touch on the ball, then that's legal?

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paperhat croydon 10 Feb 14 1.37pm
I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul? What I don't get is what happened with this on sat. If Chamakh dive, he should have been given a yellow, if Foster took him out then he should have had a yellow or red. Either way , there should have been a card given? Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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paperhat

croydon 10 Feb 14 1.37pm

I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul?

What I don't get is what happened with this on sat. If Chamakh dive, he should have been given a yellow, if Foster took him out then he should have had a yellow or red. Either way , there should have been a card given?

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Plane Bromley 10 Feb 14 1.40pm
Quote paperhat at 10 Feb 2014 1.37pm I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul? What I don't get is what happened with this on sat. If Chamakh dive, he should have been given a yellow, if Foster took him out then he should have had a yellow or red. Either way , there should have been a card given? Of course you're correct. I agree, it should have been a yellow for the keeper.
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Plane

Bromley 10 Feb 14 1.40pm

Quote paperhat at 10 Feb 2014 1.37pm

I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul?

Of course you're correct.

I agree, it should have been a yellow for the keeper.

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palace99 New Mills 10 Feb 14 2.58pm
Quote Plane at 10 Feb 2014 1.40pm Quote paperhat at 10 Feb 2014 1.37pm I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul? What I don't get is what happened with this on sat. If Chamakh dive, he should have been given a yellow, if Foster took him out then he should have had a yellow or red. Either way , there should have been a card given? Of course you're correct. I agree, it should have been a yellow for the keeper. so extending your logic every slide tackle must be a foul as you always take out the man afterwards as he will always fall over your extended leg. A foul for me is if you don't take the ball first and/or you go in in a dangerous way. I don't think Foster was particularly dangerous and he definitely touched the ball first, hence it was a fortunate penalty imho. Would you have been happy if Jules had conceded one in the same circumstances??
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palace99

New Mills 10 Feb 14 2.58pm

Quote Plane at 10 Feb 2014 1.40pm

Quote paperhat at 10 Feb 2014 1.37pm

I'd naively assumed that if you follow through and tak eout a player, it doesnt matter if you touch the ball or not first, its still a foul?

Of course you're correct.

I agree, it should have been a yellow for the keeper.

so extending your logic every slide tackle must be a foul as you always take out the man afterwards as he will always fall over your extended leg.

A foul for me is if you don't take the ball first and/or you go in in a dangerous way.

I don't think Foster was particularly dangerous and he definitely touched the ball first, hence it was a fortunate penalty imho.

Would you have been happy if Jules had conceded one in the same circumstances??

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Arthur Blackpudding 10 Feb 14 3.57pm
Seeing it from the Holmesdale I said straight away I didn't think it was a penalty. However when you see it from different angles on MOTD I can see why it was awarded. To me if you get the ball first, it's a good tackle. I'd have been very pissed off if we conceded a penalty like that.
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Seeing it from the Holmesdale I said straight away I didn't think it was a penalty.

However when you see it from different angles on MOTD I can see why it was awarded.

To me if you get the ball first, it's a good tackle.

I'd have been very pissed off if we conceded a penalty like that.

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Hoof Hearted 10 Feb 14 4.34pm
The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily. Penalty all day long.
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Hoof Hearted 10 Feb 14 4.34pm

The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily.

Penalty all day long.

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Plane Bromley 10 Feb 14 6.09pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Feb 2014 4.34pm The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily. Penalty all day long. Agreed Hoof, and if memory serves me you're a qualified ref?
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Plane

Bromley 10 Feb 14 6.09pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Feb 2014 4.34pm

The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily.

Penalty all day long.

Agreed Hoof, and if memory serves me you're a qualified ref?

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bodge 10 Feb 14 6.44pm
It was a pen he did not get the ball clear of Chamakh so it was a foul.
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bodge

10 Feb 14 6.44pm

It was a pen he did not get the ball clear of Chamakh so it was a foul.

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Stuk Top half 10 Feb 14 7.18pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Feb 2014 4.34pm The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily. Penalty all day long. That's how I see it. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 10 Feb 14 7.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Feb 2014 4.34pm

The keeper did touch the ball, but by up ending Chamakh prevented him from collecting the ball afterwards, which he would have done easily.

Penalty all day long.

That's how I see it.

Optimistic as ever

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Ljb Sutton 10 Feb 14 7.37pm
When I saw it in the game I couldn't believe the ref had given it as it looked like he clearly got the ball first. Still think it was a bit of a soft penalty, but not going to complain and can see why it was given
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Ljb

Sutton 10 Feb 14 7.37pm

When I saw it in the game I couldn't believe the ref had given it as it looked like he clearly got the ball first. Still think it was a bit of a soft penalty, but not going to complain and can see why it was given

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