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Mapletree Croydon 05 Mar 14 11.59am
I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Mar 14 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

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Mstrobez 05 Mar 14 12.11pm
Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity. So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'. And I have a view to start us off. I have always felt that if you get enough tightly aligned people together with powerful voices you can make a difference, you can control your future and influence others. The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. I therefore feel our bickering on this site is perfectly healthy and a part of establishing a culture and keeping it aligned. And that we should not be scared to be critical, it is what we are not that defines us as much as what we are. But we do need to have a core consensus if we want to have any impact whatsoever on our environment. So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way? Stopping all the exaggerations would help. Edited by Mstrobez (05 Mar 2014 12.42pm) We're the Arthur over ere!
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05 Mar 14 12.11pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

I have noticed a theme recently about the effects of new or returning supporters, the desire to get rid of idiots and songs that make many uncomfortable

I have also noticed many people commenting that HOL isn't like it was, we seem to be turning in on ourselves and there is an unhealthy negativity.

So I raise the question 'what do we want to be?' and a second question 'do we have any choice, can we really influence who we are?'.

So, are we anything special and anything different from other teams' supporters and other sites? And if so in what way?

Stopping all the exaggerations would help.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Mar 2014 12.42pm)

We're the Arthur over ere!

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Mar 14 12.16pm
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Mar 14 12.16pm

Pro USA & Israel

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rollercoaster Cornwall 05 Mar 14 1.49pm
Problem at the moment is some people expecting success. We've never been successful, just exciting, so we start supporting the team because we just do. Our highs are few and far between but all the more special for that. Most seasons we have excitement from relegation, administration or promotion battles. Most of us became loyal supporters because of that. We probably wont stay up but if we do that will be really special and worth celebrating. Don't moan if things aren't going our way and really enjoy the good times when they come. In my opinion this is the true culture of Crystal Palace
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Cornwall 05 Mar 14 1.49pm

Problem at the moment is some people expecting success. We've never been successful, just exciting, so we start supporting the team because we just do. Our highs are few and far between but all the more special for that. Most seasons we have excitement from relegation, administration or promotion battles. Most of us became loyal supporters because of that.

We probably wont stay up but if we do that will be really special and worth celebrating. Don't moan if things aren't going our way and really enjoy the good times when they come. In my opinion this is the true culture of Crystal Palace

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7@burnley79 Battersea 05 Mar 14 1.52pm
Quote rollercoaster at 05 Mar 2014 1.49pm Problem at the moment is some people expecting success. We've never been successful, just exciting, so we start supporting the team because we just do. Our highs are few and far between but all the more special for that. Most seasons we have excitement from relegation, administration or promotion battles. Most of us became loyal supporters because of that. We probably wont stay up but if we do that will be really special and worth celebrating. Don't moan if things aren't going our way and really enjoy the good times when they come. In my opinion this is the true culture of Crystal Palace With you all the way there, but i think we will stay up
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7@burnley79

Battersea 05 Mar 14 1.52pm

Quote rollercoaster at 05 Mar 2014 1.49pm

With you all the way there, but i think we will stay up

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Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 05 Mar 14 2.38pm
Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area? So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army Lend me a Tenor 31 May to 3 June 2017 John McIntosh Arts Centre London Oratory School SW6 1RX with Superfly in the chorus [Link]
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The sun always shines in Catford 05 Mar 14 2.38pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area?

So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army

Lend me a Tenor

31 May to 3 June 2017

John McIntosh Arts Centre
London Oratory School
SW6 1RX

with Superfly in the chorus
[Link]

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7@burnley79 Battersea 05 Mar 14 2.41pm
Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area? So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army Don't tell the vikings
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7@burnley79

Battersea 05 Mar 14 2.41pm

Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area?

So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army

Don't tell the vikings

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Mapletree Croydon 05 Mar 14 3.01pm
Quote 7@burnley79 at 05 Mar 2014 2.41pm Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area? So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army Don't tell the vikings Nor indeed the Highlanders who made it to Birmingham, took one look and then decided England was way to sht to bother invading. But my point was, a small group of people with strength and common purpose can be massively influential over a bunch of people that can't be arsd. Hmm, 17,000 takes Manhattan eh? And our average support is ......
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Mapletree

Croydon 05 Mar 14 3.01pm

Quote 7@burnley79 at 05 Mar 2014 2.41pm

Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area?

So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army

Don't tell the vikings

Nor indeed the Highlanders who made it to Birmingham, took one look and then decided England was way to sh*t to bother invading.

But my point was, a small group of people with strength and common purpose can be massively influential over a bunch of people that can't be ars*d.

Hmm, 17,000 takes Manhattan eh? And our average support is ......

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Stuk Top half 05 Mar 14 3.06pm
Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area? So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army The index to my Greater London A-Z has 140 pages and approx 650 roads per page. If you say each road has 1 corner, as many roads will share them but not all, it's just under 100,000. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 05 Mar 14 3.06pm

Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area?

So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army

The index to my Greater London A-Z has 140 pages and approx 650 roads per page. If you say each road has 1 corner, as many roads will share them but not all, it's just under 100,000.

Optimistic as ever

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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.06pm
I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old. I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too. Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc. Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.
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Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 14 3.06pm

I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old.

I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too.

Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc.

Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 05 Mar 14 3.16pm
Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 3.01pm Quote 7@burnley79 at 05 Mar 2014 2.41pm Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country. Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area? So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army Don't tell the vikings Nor indeed the Highlanders who made it to Birmingham, took one look and then decided England was way to sht to bother invading. But my point was, a small group of people with strength and common purpose can be massively influential over a bunch of people that can't be arsd. Hmm, 17,000 takes Manhattan eh? And our average support is ...... To be fair any invading army would take one look at Birmingham and decide life was too short and turn for home As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 05 Mar 14 3.16pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 3.01pm

Quote 7@burnley79 at 05 Mar 2014 2.41pm

Quote Superfly at 05 Mar 2014 2.38pm

Quote Mapletree at 05 Mar 2014 11.59am

The old Bolshevik point of it only takes one man armed with a machine gun on each street corner to take a country.

Manhatten (being the only example I can Google) has approx 17,000 street corners. What d'you reckon for England then? Gotta be aroud the 1 million street corners sort of area?

So, to take over a country, you would need a record breakingly ginormous, well armed and thinly spread army

Don't tell the vikings

Nor indeed the Highlanders who made it to Birmingham, took one look and then decided England was way to sh*t to bother invading.

But my point was, a small group of people with strength and common purpose can be massively influential over a bunch of people that can't be ars*d.

Hmm, 17,000 takes Manhattan eh? And our average support is ......

To be fair any invading army would take one look at Birmingham and decide life was too short and turn for home

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 05 Mar 14 3.18pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old. I remember some geezer used to slag Swindlehurst off something cronic calling him a handbag. I used to love it when Swindle scored and I would eyeball him with an added complimentary derogatory gesture for good measure too. Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc. Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time. You are completely wrong.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 05 Mar 14 3.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 05 Mar 2014 3.06pm

I don't think the debating on here is any different to the discussions down the pub and arguments on the terraces of old.

Fans will always disagree about players, songs, ground, hooliganism, owners, rivals etc.

Long may it continue in whatever format is popular at the time.

You are completely wrong.

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