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View Green Bin's Profile Green Bin Flag Carshalton Beeches 17 Apr 14 3.45pm Send a Private Message to Green Bin Add Green Bin as a friend

Quote Slimey Toad at 17 Apr 2014 3.25pm

I'm sure it's been said by another poster, but the most hilarious (and desperate) part of this whole saga is the Cardiff claim that this allowed Palace to achieve an
'unexpected' 3-0 win.

Against that rabble? We under-achieved, should have been 6-0.

Yes a bit of a shock that a side that has beaten virtually everyone in the bottom half of the table and then the league leaders and 4th place in-form team should beat the bottom club

.... perhaps the league should investigate us for having the temerity to beat Chelsea and Everton

..... much more suspicious is Cardiff's last minute equaliser against WBA the week before

 

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For those that are real worriers

Then Ladbrokes are 350/1 that we get relegated

£1.50p on that will get you £525 -- enough for a season ticket and piss up to drown sorrows

 

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View Seth's Profile Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 17 Apr 14 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Don't know if it's been posted, but this from Martin Samuel in the Mail:

They knew, but he knew they knew. That is the big flaw in Cardiff City’s industrial espionage complaint.
By 6pm on Friday, April 4, before Cardiff played Crystal Palace, their manager, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, was aware his starting line-up had got out. He could have changed it. He chose not to. Cardiff lost 3-0. The leaked team was wrong anyway.

Crystal Palace’s sporting director Iain Moody, a former Cardiff employee, is being fingered as the culprit, but unless he offered financial inducement or broke the law of the land by, for instance, tapping telephones, this drama goes nowhere.

There is no Premier League law to specifically govern phoning a friend and calling in a favour; not even one to cover hiding in the bushes at a training session. It happens.

Every club would like to discover in advance what team they will be facing. That is why they send scouts to provide a detailed report on the opposition, their strengths and weaknesses and what occurs at set-plays.
Beyond that is the world of contacts. Who you know, what they know. Agents, old friends, mates of the manager, give them a call, find out what they’ve heard.

This won’t be news to Cardiff’s management team and, if it is, they might as well change the kit from red shirts to short trousers, neckscarf and woggle.
In a sorry attempt to reclaim points they do not deserve, Cardiff are now relying on the Premier League’s catch-all good faith rules, which are vague enough to apply in extreme cases. Rule B15 states: ‘In all matters and transactions relating to the league each club shall behave towards each other club and the league with the utmost good faith.’

In addition, there is a chairman’s charter insisting: ‘We will ensure that our clubs behave with the utmost good faith and honesty to each other, and do not unjustly criticise or disparage one another and maintain confidences.’

Calling an old pal to find out Cardiff’s starting XI is not considered a contravention of those articles. Paying an old pal, or tapping an old pal might be. Yet all the evidence suggests that Moody collected his information freely and without skulduggery, inducement or coercion. Indeed, Cardiff’s bigger problem is that there seems to have been at least one employee, and perhaps as many as three, who felt greater loyalty to Moody than they did to the new regime.

That is what owner Vincent Tan finds so humiliating, having sacked and disparaged Moody earlier in the season. How mortifying it must have been to then see him return, with Palace, and so comprehensively dismantle this brave new world.

‘Where Tan Sri goes we will follow,’ sing the Malaysian employees of the Cardiff owner in a cringeworthy 60th birthday video.

That love is clearly not being felt at his football club, though. To Cardiff fans, the complaint to the Premier League is embarrassing, smacks of naivety — and is, bottom line, doomed.

Tan changed Cardiff’s shirts from blue to red because he believed it was lucky and ended up bottom of the league.

He sacked a manager doing a good job, Malky Mackay, and replaced him with the novice Solskjaer. Now this. Without a financial paper trail or a bug in the manager’s office traceable to Moody, there really is no case to answer.

The Premier League are humouring Tan even by promising to investigate.

You want to know the secret that Cardiff’s executives are really trying to hide? None of them, from the top down, are smart enough for this league.


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Quote Slimey Toad at 17 Apr 2014 3.25pm

I'm sure it's been said by another poster, but the most hilarious (and desperate) part of this whole saga is the Cardiff claim that this allowed Palace to achieve an
'unexpected' 3-0 win.

Against that rabble? We under-achieved, should have been 6-0.

Deluded pricks, aren't they.

They were fairly and comprehensively dismantled and beaten on the day. Just as we beat them comfortably at Selhurst earlier on in the season.

This is nothing more than Tan's agenda against Moody and Mackay ahead of the tribunal hearing this summer.

Nothing will come of this as there is no case to answer.

 

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View radsyrendot's Profile radsyrendot Flag From Coventry now in Leicester 17 Apr 14 3.53pm Send a Private Message to radsyrendot Add radsyrendot as a friend

Quote Eagle-Gaz at 17 Apr 2014 3.44pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Apr 2014 3.42pm

that's probably why the FA are waiting till the end of the season ..if were 11 points clear they will deduct us 12


How do you know they are waiting till end of season?


I read it somewhere this morning online but now I can't find it

The Premier League is understood to be treating the complaint seriously although it believes any inquiry would focus on the conduct of the two clubs and their staff, rather than a wider investigation into the integrity of the match.


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View Charlie Croker's Profile Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 17 Apr 14 3.55pm Send a Private Message to Charlie Croker Add Charlie Croker as a friend

Yet, bizarrely in a world of 24 hours news where every column (screen) inch has to be filled with something, there is still nothing on SSN.

There is a OGS piece lifted from teh Telegraph

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where it states:

It was claimed last week that Cardiff's starting line-up had been leaked to Crystal Palace before the Eagles' recent 3-0 win, and captain Steven Caulker suggested there had been similar problems throughout the season.

Asked about the situation, Solksjaer said: "Well, we have issues. All football clubs have issues, and they deal with them."

Still think a lot could have to do with David Bond, the BBC sports Editor, being a Millwall fan.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Apr 14 3.57pm

In order to save Cardiff, any deduction would have to be remarkably disproportionate to the offence. You only get -9 points for Administration. Just to be safe we better beat West Ham, Liverpool, Man City and Fulham.

I think we'll get a hefty fine for bringing the game into disrepute - The PML are canny enough to know that a points deduction for violating 'good faith' would open the flood gates to claims. It'll be treated more like when Wolves fielded an entirely changed team against a top club.

Any point deduction will result in an appeal by CPFC as it there is no defined punishment, certainly if its more than three points, a decent lawyer should be able to demonstrate 'excessive punishment' given there is no defined statement about what constitutes 'good faith' or the consequences of breaking that 'good faith'.

The newspapers will make the most of it. Tan will milk it to keep attention off the fact he's f**ked their season. As long as we cannot be shown to have purchased information we'll be ok. Team Lists cannot be considered to be confidential or private information as they are made public.

Otherwise week on week clubs will be filing complaints about other clubs breaking good faith.

 


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Quote Green Bin at 17 Apr 2014 3.45pm

Quote Slimey Toad at 17 Apr 2014 3.25pm

I'm sure it's been said by another poster, but the most hilarious (and desperate) part of this whole saga is the Cardiff claim that this allowed Palace to achieve an
'unexpected' 3-0 win.

Against that rabble? We under-achieved, should have been 6-0.

Yes a bit of a shock that a side that has beaten virtually everyone in the bottom half of the table and then the league leaders and 4th place in-form team should beat the bottom club

.... perhaps the league should investigate us for having the temerity to beat Chelsea and Everton

..... much more suspicious is Cardiff's last minute equaliser against WBA the week before


High five to that!

 

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View radsyrendot's Profile radsyrendot Flag From Coventry now in Leicester 17 Apr 14 3.57pm Send a Private Message to radsyrendot Add radsyrendot as a friend

yea there's on BBC that's covering it Sky sports obviously know there's nothing in the allegations I'd rather listen to SSN than BBC

 

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Plane Flag Bromley 17 Apr 14 4.04pm

Quote radsyrendot at 17 Apr 2014 3.57pm

yea there's on BBC that's covering it Sky sports obviously know there's nothing in the allegations I'd rather listen to SSN than BBC


Fvcking Hanson's tentacles get into the news room as well! Al get over it, we beat you fair and square at Villa park and it was such a long time ago, you'll drive yourself to drink!!

 

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There's only one "leak" Cardiff need to worry about

leak.jpg Attachment: leak.jpg (48.97Kb)

 

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Quote fareham eagle at 17 Apr 2014 4.11pm

There's only one "leak" Cardiff need to worry about


So many HOLers on here from Fareham! Didn't know we had so many Palace fans round ere!

 

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