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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 03 Jun 15 1.38pm

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Quote Sg Bilko at 30 May 2015 2.52pm

As a former CB, you are either a natural CB or your not a CB, it is not something that can be coached or improve with experience, as a CB one essential asset is being able to read the game, and that is something that can't be coached into a player.

Micah Richards can not read a game, when he played as a CB he was regularly caught out of position that is why he was moved back to FB.


Completely disagree with you on this, especially with regards to experience.


Yep, I disagree as well. It was coached into me and I was a fine centre back and captain and has zero pace. I was taught to read the game, lead the line and give myself the space to never be turned and ran at, how to time the tackle to perfection without committing myself. How to cover team mates and be covered at all times. It's not rocket science really.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (03 Jun 2015 1.39pm)

 


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Quote Brentmiester_General at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm

Quote Mwncisee at 30 May 2015 6.32pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 30 May 2015 2.52pm

As a former CB, you are either a natural CB or your not a CB, it is not something that can be coached or improve with experience, as a CB one essential asset is being able to read the game, and that is something that can't be coached into a player.

Micah Richards can not read a game, when he played as a CB he was regularly caught out of position that is why he was moved back to FB.


Completely disagree with you on this, especially with regards to experience.


Yep, I disagree as well. It was coached into me and I was a fine centre back and captain and has zero pace. I was taught to read the game, lead the line and give myself the space to never be turned and ran at, how to time the tackle to perfection without committing myself. How to cover team mates and be covered at all times. It's not rocket science really.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (03 Jun 2015 1.39pm)

Yeh what ever.

I am a coach and I've never been able to coach reading a game, it's something that comes naturally, and there are very few players that can read a game.

All basic rudiments of the game, and not even close to the rare skill of being able to read the game, I'm 68 years old and been playing, coaching UEFA A Licence, Professional Scout UEFA registered since 1962, and I played under Rinus Michels one if not the best coaches ever in the Nederlands, and I still can't read a game, and if anyone could teach a player to read a game he would.


Edited by Sg Bilko (04 Jun 2015 8.03am)

 

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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 05 Jun 15 2.16pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 03 Jun 2015 8.10pm

Quote Brentmiester_General at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm

Quote Mwncisee at 30 May 2015 6.32pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 30 May 2015 2.52pm

As a former CB, you are either a natural CB or your not a CB, it is not something that can be coached or improve with experience, as a CB one essential asset is being able to read the game, and that is something that can't be coached into a player.

Micah Richards can not read a game, when he played as a CB he was regularly caught out of position that is why he was moved back to FB.


Completely disagree with you on this, especially with regards to experience.


Yep, I disagree as well. It was coached into me and I was a fine centre back and captain and has zero pace. I was taught to read the game, lead the line and give myself the space to never be turned and ran at, how to time the tackle to perfection without committing myself. How to cover team mates and be covered at all times. It's not rocket science really.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (03 Jun 2015 1.39pm)

Yeh what ever.

I am a coach and I've never been able to coach reading a game, it's something that comes naturally, and there are very few players that can read a game.

All basic rudiments of the game, and not even close to the rare skill of being able to read the game, I'm 68 years old and been playing, coaching UEFA A Licence, Professional Scout UEFA registered since 1962, and I played under Rinus Michels one if not the best coaches ever in the Nederlands, and I still can't read a game, and if anyone could teach a player to read a game he would.


Edited by Sg Bilko (04 Jun 2015 8.03am)


Bit of a headless chicken were you?

 


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Quote Mwncisee at 30 May 2015 6.32pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 30 May 2015 2.52pm

As a former CB, you are either a natural CB or your not a CB, it is not something that can be coached or improve with experience, as a CB one essential asset is being able to read the game, and that is something that can't be coached into a player.

Micah Richards can not read a game, when he played as a CB he was regularly caught out of position that is why he was moved back to FB.


Completely disagree with you on this, especially with regards to experience.


I agree with this...Henry was a winger before then being moulded into a forward. there are plenty of examples where a player played in one position and 'learned' to play another position and become very good at it.

Where I would agree with Bilko's sentiment is that certain players find it harder to take instruction than others and as such its the more 'flexible' personalities that often succeed.

Edited by Lyons550 (05 Jun 2015 4.26pm)

 


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Quote Brentmiester_General at 05 Jun 2015 2.16pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 03 Jun 2015 8.10pm

Quote Brentmiester_General at 03 Jun 2015 1.38pm

Quote Mwncisee at 30 May 2015 6.32pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 30 May 2015 2.52pm

As a former CB, you are either a natural CB or your not a CB, it is not something that can be coached or improve with experience, as a CB one essential asset is being able to read the game, and that is something that can't be coached into a player.

Micah Richards can not read a game, when he played as a CB he was regularly caught out of position that is why he was moved back to FB.


Completely disagree with you on this, especially with regards to experience.


Yep, I disagree as well. It was coached into me and I was a fine centre back and captain and has zero pace. I was taught to read the game, lead the line and give myself the space to never be turned and ran at, how to time the tackle to perfection without committing myself. How to cover team mates and be covered at all times. It's not rocket science really.

Edited by Brentmiester_General (03 Jun 2015 1.39pm)

Yeh what ever.

I am a coach and I've never been able to coach reading a game, it's something that comes naturally, and there are very few players that can read a game.

All basic rudiments of the game, and not even close to the rare skill of being able to read the game, I'm 68 years old and been playing, coaching UEFA A Licence, Professional Scout UEFA registered since 1962, and I played under Rinus Michels one if not the best coaches ever in the Nederlands, and I still can't read a game, and if anyone could teach a player to read a game he would.


Edited by Sg Bilko (04 Jun 2015 8.03am)


Bit of a headless chicken were you?

That may well be the case, but at least I've been involved in football at a much higher level than you, so maybe not such a headless chicken, more a rooster.

 

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Aston Villa in for him apparently. I'd love him at Palace. [Link]

 

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Being reported now that he will sign for villa:

RICHARDS CLOSE TO VILLA DEAL

Micah Richards will be unveiled as an Aston Villa player next week, according to the Daily Star.

The 26-year-old defender is a free agent after his contract expired with Manchester City, and is now set for a move to Villa Park.

He will sign a £65,000-a-week deal after boss Tim Sherwood convinced him of the switch.

Would have loved to see him at Palace as I have said earlier in this thread but at £65,000 a week I cant say that is close to worth it when the likes of Cabaye is on 55,000 at PSG

 

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Villa can have him.

File under ' Glen Johnson '

 


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If you couldn't be coached, there wouldn't be much point in having coaches, would there, and for a coach to say that players can't be coached suggests there's little point in listening further to anything he has to say. Of course, some players are less coachable than others just as some of us do better in school than others but it strikes me as ridiculous to suggest a player simply can't learn a new position (and be good at it.)

 


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Quote sydtheeagle at 14 Jun 2015 12.46pm

If you couldn't be coached, there wouldn't be much point in having coaches, would there, and for a coach to say that players can't be coached suggests there's little point in listening further to anything he has to say. Of course, some players are less coachable than others just as some of us do better in school than others but it strikes me as ridiculous to suggest a player simply can't learn a new position (and be good at it.)

I agree with the general thrust of your comments.

Ashley Cole used to be a forward but was converted into a left-back, Glen Johnson was a striker until the age of 15 and Danny Rose used to be a left-winger to cite some examples of those who have changed positions.
And I have just remembered Derby's Craig Forsyth who played for Scotland yesterday - he was a midfielder who was moved to left-back by Nigel Clough.
Going back a few years Francis Benali played for England schoolboys as a forward.


Edited by Willo (14 Jun 2015 12.57pm)

 

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These players have been 'successfully' converted into FULL BACKS, not centre backs. As a full back you still need to attack and be more technical than a centre back. It is very difficult to create a premier league standard centre back (in Micah Richards) if they have not been since they were 10-15? I don't think there is a point of adding a large wage for someone who won't have a secure place in the first team. Not many people have seen him play in the last year/2 so it could be a very large risk.

 

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Quote Willo at 14 Jun 2015 12.56pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 14 Jun 2015 12.46pm

If you couldn't be coached, there wouldn't be much point in having coaches, would there, and for a coach to say that players can't be coached suggests there's little point in listening further to anything he has to say. Of course, some players are less coachable than others just as some of us do better in school than others but it strikes me as ridiculous to suggest a player simply can't learn a new position (and be good at it.)

I agree with the general thrust of your comments.

Ashley Cole used to be a forward but was converted into a left-back, Glen Johnson was a striker until the age of 15 and Danny Rose used to be a left-winger to cite some examples of those who have changed positions.
And I have just remembered Derby's Craig Forsyth who played for Scotland yesterday - he was a midfielder who was moved to left-back by Nigel Clough.
Going back a few years Francis Benali played for England schoolboys as a forward.


Edited by Willo (14 Jun 2015 12.57pm)


Plus Scholes (striker), Rooney seems destined to be a CM, Bale a LB...

 

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