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Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 12.37pm
Without knowing the whole story, it would appear he unlawfully bought his way into power then acted in a manner that no major party would allow. He may have picked Labour for the reasons you described, or it may just be they were the most likely party to win votes in his area. Either way, he clearly isn't a believer in multiculturalism....so you have that in common In all seriousness, what this election has shown me is how clueless most of us are about the EU and politics in general. Most people probably don't know: what powers the EU has, how decisions are made, how their vote affected Britains representation or what benefits it gives us (for example what is the free trade agreement.) From the UKIP side the only rational arguments I've heard for voting for UKIP is as a protest vote for the major parties inefficiencies, but then whenever I ask people what those are they just reel out the media standards without any understanding of what policies have been introduced, removed, or brought to the table. The anti-UKIP side is often not much better with simple accusations of fascism, etc. We live in a democracy in which a large swathe of the country votes on one-liners and spin without truly understanding what they're voting for or taking the time to read and find out. I wouldn't and will not vote for UKIP because I don't believe immigration is the route of all evil, I don't believe you could actually simply close the doors on immigration even if you wanted to (do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in?) they are basically the back bench/extremists of the tory party and so stand against everything I believe in (equality, workers rights, freedom of choice, etc) plus they have created economic policy which has no realistic way of working ("scrap VAT/inheritence tax, etc""- and replace it with what?) I didn't make my mind up on this by reading the papers. I read UKIP's own policies and then saw what they were. A bunch of c***s. Hopefully what UKIP will have done is wake up the major parties into showing some real fight. I only pray that they won't listen to the ill-conceived politics that are parked in the Farrage garage.
They want controlled immigration no one in Ukip is saying no one can come in.....What are you on about? You blame people for not knowing enough about politics before voting and then you show that you clearly don't know or care about knowing Ukip's declared policies before you mischaracterise them. You are the type of person you yourself are criticizing. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.09pm) I slow-clapped as I read TL's post here. It was fabulously ironic. I will assume the cluelessness extends to the author as well? It's like he reeled off the same tired twitterspeheric diatribe written on the back of their collective fag packet. "do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in" You mean like no-one trades with Australia, Canada, umpteen other (over 50% of UN countries in fact) states that think it smart to DECIDE whom to let in and whom to kick out? Yes, Labour really has woken up and started to show some real fight. Miliband has really taken the lesson in from the election results: So, I'll tell you what: you lot can keep banging the one-issue drum that you think UKIP is about, whilst more and more people wake up to the fact that our hands are progressively more tied by an EU that interferes (and will continue to do so, and will seek to interfere more) with the running of our country in the way we wish it run (case in point: child benefits today). Don't worry though. The lessons have been learnt all the way up to Maoist president of the EU, whom is all for "shaping a global order". Those who "voted in protest" (the fcuking nerve of it) will enjoy "decisive political action" and a "truly democratic debate" (ha, coming of course from the technocrats with no mandate):
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| davenotamonkey 27 May 14 10.25pm |
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Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 2.17pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 1.08pm
Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 12.37pm
Without knowing the whole story, it would appear he unlawfully bought his way into power then acted in a manner that no major party would allow. He may have picked Labour for the reasons you described, or it may just be they were the most likely party to win votes in his area. Either way, he clearly isn't a believer in multiculturalism....so you have that in common In all seriousness, what this election has shown me is how clueless most of us are about the EU and politics in general. Most people probably don't know: what powers the EU has, how decisions are made, how their vote affected Britains representation or what benefits it gives us (for example what is the free trade agreement.) From the UKIP side the only rational arguments I've heard for voting for UKIP is as a protest vote for the major parties inefficiencies, but then whenever I ask people what those are they just reel out the media standards without any understanding of what policies have been introduced, removed, or brought to the table. The anti-UKIP side is often not much better with simple accusations of fascism, etc. We live in a democracy in which a large swathe of the country votes on one-liners and spin without truly understanding what they're voting for or taking the time to read and find out. I wouldn't and will not vote for UKIP because I don't believe immigration is the route of all evil, I don't believe you could actually simply close the doors on immigration even if you wanted to (do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in?) they are basically the back bench/extremists of the tory party and so stand against everything I believe in (equality, workers rights, freedom of choice, etc) plus they have created economic policy which has no realistic way of working ("scrap VAT/inheritence tax, etc""- and replace it with what?) I didn't make my mind up on this by reading the papers. I read UKIP's own policies and then saw what they were. A bunch of c***s. Hopefully what UKIP will have done is wake up the major parties into showing some real fight. I only pray that they won't listen to the ill-conceived politics that are parked in the Farrage garage.
They want controlled immigration no one in Ukip is saying no one can come in.....What are you on about? You blame people for not knowing enough about politics before voting and then you show that you clearly don't know or care about knowing Ukip's declared policies before you mischaracterise them. You are the type of person you yourself are criticizing. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.09pm) I did say "we", but you're right, I did get a bit carried away by saying no immigrants (although it's clear many UKIP voters do seem to want that.) What they actually want, from what I understand, is the right to choose what immigrants enter britain, and that they want those immigrants to fit within the UKIP model. Also, any immigrant with less than seven years residence could then be subject to being chucked out. To be honest it is quite hard to follow though as one minute they say something inflammatory and the next day they say that isn't the party line, even when it comes from senior members (for example the embarrassing case where Farrage derided the 2010 set of policies despite providing the foreword to it!) I still haven't seen a strong argument how UKIP would actually improve things by the way? But my guess is you'll focus on semantics rather than the positives of UKIPs policy (because that would be like trying to win a beauty contest with an armpit fart) Could you please let me know the names of those that "detracted"? Or pass on their information to UKIP? They have a policy of refusing membership to ANY past BNP members, which is more than can be said for Labour.... (I could post any number of links for Conservatives as well, but I'll trust you can use Google) Edited by davenotamonkey (27 May 2014 10.25pm)
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Quote davenotamonkey at 27 May 2014 10.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 1.08pm
Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 12.37pm
Without knowing the whole story, it would appear he unlawfully bought his way into power then acted in a manner that no major party would allow. He may have picked Labour for the reasons you described, or it may just be they were the most likely party to win votes in his area. Either way, he clearly isn't a believer in multiculturalism....so you have that in common In all seriousness, what this election has shown me is how clueless most of us are about the EU and politics in general. Most people probably don't know: what powers the EU has, how decisions are made, how their vote affected Britains representation or what benefits it gives us (for example what is the free trade agreement.) From the UKIP side the only rational arguments I've heard for voting for UKIP is as a protest vote for the major parties inefficiencies, but then whenever I ask people what those are they just reel out the media standards without any understanding of what policies have been introduced, removed, or brought to the table. The anti-UKIP side is often not much better with simple accusations of fascism, etc. We live in a democracy in which a large swathe of the country votes on one-liners and spin without truly understanding what they're voting for or taking the time to read and find out. I wouldn't and will not vote for UKIP because I don't believe immigration is the route of all evil, I don't believe you could actually simply close the doors on immigration even if you wanted to (do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in?) they are basically the back bench/extremists of the tory party and so stand against everything I believe in (equality, workers rights, freedom of choice, etc) plus they have created economic policy which has no realistic way of working ("scrap VAT/inheritence tax, etc""- and replace it with what?) I didn't make my mind up on this by reading the papers. I read UKIP's own policies and then saw what they were. A bunch of c***s. Hopefully what UKIP will have done is wake up the major parties into showing some real fight. I only pray that they won't listen to the ill-conceived politics that are parked in the Farrage garage.
They want controlled immigration no one in Ukip is saying no one can come in.....What are you on about? You blame people for not knowing enough about politics before voting and then you show that you clearly don't know or care about knowing Ukip's declared policies before you mischaracterise them. You are the type of person you yourself are criticizing. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.09pm) I slow-clapped as I read TL's post here. It was fabulously ironic. I will assume the cluelessness extends to the author as well? It's like he reeled off the same tired twitterspeheric diatribe written on the back of their collective fag packet. "do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in" You mean like no-one trades with Australia, Canada, umpteen other (over 50% of UN countries in fact) states that think it smart to DECIDE whom to let in and whom to kick out? Yes, Labour really has woken up and started to show some real fight. Miliband has really taken the lesson in from the election results: So, I'll tell you what: you lot can keep banging the one-issue drum that you think UKIP is about, whilst more and more people wake up to the fact that our hands are progressively more tied by an EU that interferes (and will continue to do so, and will seek to interfere more) with the running of our country in the way we wish it run (case in point: child benefits today). Don't worry though. The lessons have been learnt all the way up to Maoist president of the EU, whom is all for "shaping a global order". Those who "voted in protest" (the fcuking nerve of it) will enjoy "decisive political action" and a "truly democratic debate" (ha, coming of course from the technocrats with no mandate):
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 29 May 14 10.52am |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 27 May 2014 10.18pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 27 May 2014 1.08pm
Quote taylors lovechild at 27 May 2014 12.37pm
Without knowing the whole story, it would appear he unlawfully bought his way into power then acted in a manner that no major party would allow. He may have picked Labour for the reasons you described, or it may just be they were the most likely party to win votes in his area. Either way, he clearly isn't a believer in multiculturalism....so you have that in common In all seriousness, what this election has shown me is how clueless most of us are about the EU and politics in general. Most people probably don't know: what powers the EU has, how decisions are made, how their vote affected Britains representation or what benefits it gives us (for example what is the free trade agreement.) From the UKIP side the only rational arguments I've heard for voting for UKIP is as a protest vote for the major parties inefficiencies, but then whenever I ask people what those are they just reel out the media standards without any understanding of what policies have been introduced, removed, or brought to the table. The anti-UKIP side is often not much better with simple accusations of fascism, etc. We live in a democracy in which a large swathe of the country votes on one-liners and spin without truly understanding what they're voting for or taking the time to read and find out. I wouldn't and will not vote for UKIP because I don't believe immigration is the route of all evil, I don't believe you could actually simply close the doors on immigration even if you wanted to (do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in?) they are basically the back bench/extremists of the tory party and so stand against everything I believe in (equality, workers rights, freedom of choice, etc) plus they have created economic policy which has no realistic way of working ("scrap VAT/inheritence tax, etc""- and replace it with what?) I didn't make my mind up on this by reading the papers. I read UKIP's own policies and then saw what they were. A bunch of c***s. Hopefully what UKIP will have done is wake up the major parties into showing some real fight. I only pray that they won't listen to the ill-conceived politics that are parked in the Farrage garage.
They want controlled immigration no one in Ukip is saying no one can come in.....What are you on about? You blame people for not knowing enough about politics before voting and then you show that you clearly don't know or care about knowing Ukip's declared policies before you mischaracterise them. You are the type of person you yourself are criticizing. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2014 1.09pm) I slow-clapped as I read TL's post here. It was fabulously ironic. I will assume the cluelessness extends to the author as well? It's like he reeled off the same tired twitterspeheric diatribe written on the back of their collective fag packet. "do you think anyone would trade with us if we refused to allow any immigrants in" You mean like no-one trades with Australia, Canada, umpteen other (over 50% of UN countries in fact) states that think it smart to DECIDE whom to let in and whom to kick out? Yes, Labour really has woken up and started to show some real fight. Miliband has really taken the lesson in from the election results: So, I'll tell you what: you lot can keep banging the one-issue drum that you think UKIP is about, whilst more and more people wake up to the fact that our hands are progressively more tied by an EU that interferes (and will continue to do so, and will seek to interfere more) with the running of our country in the way we wish it run (case in point: child benefits today). Don't worry though. The lessons have been learnt all the way up to Maoist president of the EU, whom is all for "shaping a global order". Those who "voted in protest" (the fcuking nerve of it) will enjoy "decisive political action" and a "truly democratic debate" (ha, coming of course from the technocrats with no mandate):
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| matt_himself Matataland 30 May 14 7.30am |
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Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 14 12.16pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
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| DanH SW2 30 May 14 12.27pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
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| Stirlingsays 30 May 14 12.33pm |
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Quote DanH at 30 May 2014 12.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
It needs to be filmed, uploaded and put onto the Gold message board. It makes mine and old Seth's old battles look positively chased.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 May 14 1.06pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 30 May 2014 12.33pm
Quote DanH at 30 May 2014 12.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
It needs to be filmed, uploaded and put onto the Gold message board. It makes mine and old Seth's old battles look positively chased. And you a teacher..! It's chaste
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 May 14 1.36pm |
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Quote DanH at 30 May 2014 12.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 30 May 14 5.14pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 30 May 2014 12.33pm
Quote DanH at 30 May 2014 12.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
It needs to be filmed, uploaded and put onto the Gold message board. It makes mine and old Seth's old battles look positively chased.
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| matt_himself Matataland 30 May 14 5.51pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 30 May 2014 12.33pm
Quote DanH at 30 May 2014 12.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 May 2014 12.16pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 May 2014 7.30am
Gusset forgot to post this - 'credible' TUSC voting results: They garnered a massive 68,031 votes across the country. And Gusset wonders why they get no publicity. I think you love me. You can't stop mentioning me in your posts...
It needs to be filmed, uploaded and put onto the Gold message board. It makes mine and old Seth's old battles look positively chased.
I have given them a 10 on check a trade.
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