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legaleagle  24 Feb 15 1.19pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Feb 2015 11.28am
Anyway getting back to UKIP.... I'm interested in the furore/kerfuffle surrounding Rifkind and Straw. I've noticed that the media are concentrating wholly on the pair of them rather than associating what they've done reflecting on the Conservatives/Cameron and Labour/Miliband. If the story had been about Reckless the new UKIP MP, then the media would be all over UKIP/Farage as well as Reckless.
Rifkind has just quit.
Most MPs think their s*** doesn't stink. You can bet that Rifkind still thinks he's done nothing wrong.
Off the UKIP topic, but personally,I'd be for MP's not being allowed to earn anything for providing services/being employed outside of being an MP. So,that would put an end to directorships,consultancies,practising as barristers,being officials of organisations including trades unions. On top of their MPs' salaries and really good pensions,they get some very meaningful expenses benefits too,including free travel, so the salary doesn't compare to the net monies someone else is left with. According to The Herald: "The register (of Members' interests)shows that a number of MPs earned significantly more than the Prime MInister - whose salary is £142,000 - last year. According to the register of interests for 2104, Geoffrey Cox, a Conservative MP and barrister, made more than £820,000. Other high earners on the list include the outspoken Bradford MP George Galloway who listed £277,350 on the register in earnings last year. David Blunkett, the former Labour Home Secretary, made £176,295, of which he gave £1,500 to charity. Other top earners included Sir Nicholas Soames, Winston Churchill's grandson, who registered more than £240,000 between January and December 2014." Edited by legaleagle (24 Feb 2015 1.23pm)
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 Stuk Top half 24 Feb 15 1.23pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 24 Feb 2015 1.19pm
Quote Stuk at 24 Feb 2015 1.12pm
Quote black eagle. at 24 Feb 2015 12.49pm
Quote Stuk at 24 Feb 2015 12.41pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 24 Feb 2015 11.28am
Anyway getting back to UKIP.... I'm interested in the furore/kerfuffle surrounding Rifkind and Straw. I've noticed that the media are concentrating wholly on the pair of them rather than associating what they've done reflecting on the Conservatives/Cameron and Labour/Miliband. If the story had been about Reckless the new UKIP MP, then the media would be all over UKIP/Farage as well as Reckless.
Rifkind has just quit.
Most MPs think their s*** doesn't stink. You can bet that Rifkind still thinks he's done nothing wrong.
Off the UKIP topic, but personally,I'd be for MP's not being allowed to earn anything for providing services/being employed outside of being an MP. So,that would put an end to directorships,consultancies,practising as barristers,being officials of organisations including trades unions. On top of their MPs' salaries and really good pensions,they get some very meaningful expenses benefits too,including free travel, so the salary doesn't compare to the net monies someone else is left with. That's alright then, have 3 months pay on us instead of doing the honourable thing. I agree with you on the rest. If you're an MP there should be no other earnings at all.
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| legaleagle 24 Feb 15 1.27pm |
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Looks like he's already got some of his his post May income sorted.
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Feb 15 11.04pm |
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Why does 15% of us supporting ukip get you panty wetters in such a fuss?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 15 11.13pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm
Why does 15% of us supporting ukip get you panty wetters in such a fuss?
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Feb 15 11.26pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 11.13pm
Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm
Why does 15% of us supporting ukip get you panty wetters in such a fuss?
keep labelling people. It makes you feel better about living only with white people. No balls. No soul. Just guilt. That's you.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 15 11.32pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.26pm
Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 11.13pm
Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm
Why does 15% of us supporting ukip get you panty wetters in such a fuss?
keep labelling people. It makes you feel better about living only with white people. No balls. No soul. Just guilt. That's you.
As for this guilt thing? Priceless. I did eat the last biscuit earlier, I feel a bit bad about that cos my other half had her eye on it
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 25 Feb 15 10.34am |
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Quote legaleagle at 23 Feb 2015 8.08pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Feb 2015 10.50am
Quote matt_himself at 23 Feb 2015 7.32am
I believe that the left contains a significant amount of racists. You only have to look at the anti Israeli, anti US and anti Christian posterings of many on the left. None of which are a race. Anti-US and Anti-Iseali positioning on the left are common, given the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist stances common on the left (arguably the Left tends to be more pro-Palestine than anti-Israeli). Witht the US being the most aggressively pro-capitalist nation its hardly surprising that the left wing, has a anti-US bias - It'd be like criticising the US as racist because it had an Anti-Soviet agenda in the 1980s. Anti-Israeli is a phrase you tend to mix up with the idea of criticising occupation of Palestine and the subjucation of the rights of the Palestinian people. Christianity - Well given Marxism is an anti-religeous movement - its hardly surprising that Western Leftists aren't supporters of Christainity. You could look at the support of Christian organisations for Governments around the world that have systematically suppressed Left wing movements (most notably in South America).
Being anti capitalist isn't the same as being anti US. Many on the left dislike Americans because of the perceived cultural plus social political difference. Anti-Zionist is not anti-Israeli. Israel's latest problems have been brought on themselves by the wanton disproportionate destruction of innocents in the Gaza strip. At least don't do it in front of the world press. Take a lesson from Putin and Kosovo. Your post is a fair enough point of view, other than the first sentence. To be anti-zionist is by definition (and regardless of views about the rights and wrongs of the situation) to be against Israel's existence and thus anti-Israeli (as distinct from being anti certain Israeli government actions) .Zionism is the idea of a Jewish homeland in part of former mandate Palestine.So,to be anti-zionist is by definition to be against Israel's existence. Another misconception sometimes in some quarters (not by you) is that suggestions of anti-semitism (particularly here and elsewhere in Europe) can at times be responded to and "lessened" by suggesting the perpetrators are in fact instead anti-zionist. Though equally there's no doubt many anti-zionists are in no way anti-semitic. In this light,an interesting and salutary bit of Nick G's link from the Independent yesterday which sparked off posts about 50% of UKIP members interviewed for an opinion poll being said to hold racist or quasi racist type views was the following: "Eight per cent of Ukip voters admitted to being anti-Semitic, compared to 3 per cent of Conservatives and 3 per cent of Labour supporters. The group which admitted to being most anti-Semitic were the Liberal Democrat voters, 9 per cent of which said they held such views."
Perhaps I should have said Jew rather than Isreali which was what the initial post was implying.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 12.59pm |
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A nice balanced view
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 25 Feb 15 1.15pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.26pm
Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 11.13pm
Quote matt_himself at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm
Why does 15% of us supporting ukip get you panty wetters in such a fuss?
keep labelling people. It makes you feel better about living only with white people. No balls. No soul. Just guilt. That's you. Specistism - I have two cats. Of course people with somewhat racist views are going to be drawn to UKIP, it is a mainstream party with an anti-European policy and has taken a strong stance on immigration and EU Free Movement in particular. Similarly, it wouldn't be surprising to find Anarchists and Marxist voting for the Green party (which is after all an internationalist movement with strong left wing principles). There is nothing wrong with views that can be construed as racist per se, its the enacting of racial prejudice and criminality that is wrong. To pursue views, that others may or may not accept, through democratic parliamentary means, is the correct approach. UKIP aren't exactly promoting the idea of deportation of legal citizens on the grounds of race or anything as radical as that.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 15 11.24pm |
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Attachment: | nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Feb 15 6.57am |
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Go get em Nige...
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