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DanH SW2 30 Apr 14 11.13am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.09am Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time? The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention. That's how I see it too. Yeah me too. I hate everything UKIP stand for but trying to constantly belittle them and mock them in the press is just giving them free marketing ahead of the elections and probably winning them a few votes rahter than the other way round.
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Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm

Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time?

The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention.

That's how I see it too.

Yeah me too. I hate everything UKIP stand for but trying to constantly belittle them and mock them in the press is just giving them free marketing ahead of the elections and probably winning them a few votes rahter than the other way round.

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Stuk Top half 30 Apr 14 11.20am
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 10.33am Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 10.22am Every single thread is turning into this tedious denigration of each other. My work is becoming more interesting. Stop it. This is what happens when a season peters out... Back to the subject. UKIP are dangerous and are pulling the wool over people's eyes. They have been favoured and given a lot of space to spew their vile agenda in the media. Why are the press not even exploring any ideas that are anti austerity? The idea has not even been explored in the mainstream. Blame Clegg for agreeing to give him a radio and TV debate. Since those were arranged the coverage of Farage and UKIP has soared. They obviously don't think it would garner much interest from it's readers or viewers. I'd never even heard of TUSC before you mentioned it on here, and I suspect I'm not alone. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 30 Apr 14 11.20am

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Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 10.22am

Every single thread is turning into this tedious denigration of each other.

My work is becoming more interesting. Stop it.

This is what happens when a season peters out...
Back to the subject. UKIP are dangerous and are pulling the wool over people's eyes. They have been favoured and given a lot of space to spew their vile agenda in the media.
Why are the press not even exploring any ideas that are anti austerity? The idea has not even been explored in the mainstream.

Blame Clegg for agreeing to give him a radio and TV debate. Since those were arranged the coverage of Farage and UKIP has soared.

They obviously don't think it would garner much interest from it's readers or viewers. I'd never even heard of TUSC before you mentioned it on here, and I suspect I'm not alone.

Optimistic as ever

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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 14 11.25am
Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 11.13am Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.09am Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time? The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention. That's how I see it too. Yeah me too. I hate everything UKIP stand for but trying to constantly belittle them and mock them in the press is just giving them free marketing ahead of the elections and probably winning them a few votes rahter than the other way round. The media and the big 3 are playing right into Farage's hands.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 14 11.25am

Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 11.13am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.09am

Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm

Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time?

The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention.

That's how I see it too.

The media and the big 3 are playing right into Farage's hands.

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Stuk Top half 30 Apr 14 11.32am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.25am Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 11.13am Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.09am Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time? The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention. That's how I see it too. Yeah me too. I hate everything UKIP stand for but trying to constantly belittle them and mock them in the press is just giving them free marketing ahead of the elections and probably winning them a few votes rahter than the other way round. The media and the big 3 are playing right into Farage's hands. They dangled the EU carrot for years. UKIP have thrown in straight into the scrum. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 30 Apr 14 11.32am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.25am

Quote DanH at 30 Apr 2014 11.13am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Apr 2014 11.09am

Quote Stuk at 29 Apr 2014 10.52pm

Because the media want us to hate them but are simultaneously promoting them at the same time?

The others you mention haven't triggered anything the media deem worthy of their attention.

That's how I see it too.

The media and the big 3 are playing right into Farage's hands.

They dangled the EU carrot for years. UKIP have thrown in straight into the scrum.

Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Apr 14 11.56am
UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway! What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough. UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on. It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories. Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above. Like I said, very very dangerous. Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)
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Shizzlehurst 30 Apr 14 11.56am

UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway!
What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough.

UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on.

It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories.

Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above.
Like I said, very very dangerous.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)

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Pussay Patrol 30 Apr 14 12.05pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway! What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough. UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on. It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories. Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above. Like I said, very very dangerous. Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am) I'd Vote for that ! More Prison Space....Tick Scrapping Human Rights Act....Tick Forced Labour Schemes....Tick Nuclear Power....Tick Some of the other stuff like discrimination sounds made up, can't imagine that in the manifesto. Most of the real stuff are vote winners ! Where do I sign ? Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah
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30 Apr 14 12.05pm

Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am

It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories.

Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above.
Like I said, very very dangerous.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)

I'd Vote for that !

More Prison Space....Tick
Scrapping Human Rights Act....Tick
Forced Labour Schemes....Tick
Nuclear Power....Tick

Some of the other stuff like discrimination sounds made up, can't imagine that in the manifesto.

Most of the real stuff are vote winners !

Where do I sign ?

Paua oouaaranc� Ir� chiyeah Ish� gal� ma ba oo ah

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npn Crowborough 30 Apr 14 12.10pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway! What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough. UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on. It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories. Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above. Like I said, very very dangerous. Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am) The blame for that lies firmly with the political classes. Nobody ever sticks to their manifesto pledges, and they rarely even pretend to try, consequently the manifesto is now a bit irrelevant. It's pretty much down to 'liking the cut of his jib'. There are those who would vote for a mentally impaired gibbon if it had the right coloured rosette, and there are others who vote for 'anyone but xxxx'. You get the politicians you deserve, and ours are absolute shte and have been since, dare I say it, Maggie and Tony Benn, and they are just getting shtter!
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Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am

It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories.

Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above.
Like I said, very very dangerous.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)

The blame for that lies firmly with the political classes.
Nobody ever sticks to their manifesto pledges, and they rarely even pretend to try, consequently the manifesto is now a bit irrelevant. It's pretty much down to 'liking the cut of his jib'.

There are those who would vote for a mentally impaired gibbon if it had the right coloured rosette, and there are others who vote for 'anyone but xxxx'. You get the politicians you deserve, and ours are absolute sh*te and have been since, dare I say it, Maggie and Tony Benn, and they are just getting sh*tter!

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 30 Apr 14 12.15pm
I am pretty sure that you could rely on UKIP to increase and relax MP expenses. Virtually all of their proposals were utter drivel, or inconsequential. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 30 Apr 14 12.15pm

I am pretty sure that you could rely on UKIP to increase and relax MP expenses.

Virtually all of their proposals were utter drivel, or inconsequential.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 30 Apr 14 12.18pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway! What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough. UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on. It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories. Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above. Like I said, very very dangerous. Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am) No one can tell what their (non-EU) policies really are. From what I've seen, they tell the voter in Hull something very different to the one in Croydon. Whatever proves popular locally. I'd be very weary of voting for a party whose policies (again, other than Europe) are a mystery.
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Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am

It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories.

Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above.
Like I said, very very dangerous.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)

No one can tell what their (non-EU) policies really are. From what I've seen, they tell the voter in Hull something very different to the one in Croydon. Whatever proves popular locally.

I'd be very weary of voting for a party whose policies (again, other than Europe) are a mystery.

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Stuk Top half 30 Apr 14 1.39pm
Quote npn at 30 Apr 2014 12.10pm Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am UKIP don't have a manifesto! Well they did until Farage himself described it as drivel.So why would people want to vote for anyone who hasn't even got a public policy document?That said most of the time parties don't adhere to what they put in their manifesto anyway! What is known is that they are funded by ex Tories or the wives of Tories who have left the party because their agenda isn't neoliberal or right wing enough. UKIP support mass privatisation (did you know that in a yougov poll, a majority supported the renationalisation of the rail system and energy companies - even those who support UKIP- talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!), the destruction of what is left of the social security safety net, massive tax cuts for the protection of the idle rentier class (see [Link] ), the deregulation of firearms, the militarisation of the police, the construction of dozens of new privately operated jails as part of the prison-industrial complex, open discrimination against homosexuals, the scrapping of our human rights, the indoctrination of children with nationalist propaganda, anti-environmentalism, the expansion of Iain Duncan Smith's forced labour schemes, an energy policy built on heavily subsidised nuclear power plants ..I could go on. It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories. Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above. Like I said, very very dangerous. Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am) The blame for that lies firmly with the political classes. Nobody ever sticks to their manifesto pledges, and they rarely even pretend to try, consequently the manifesto is now a bit irrelevant. It's pretty much down to 'liking the cut of his jib'. There are those who would vote for a mentally impaired gibbon if it had the right coloured rosette, and there are others who vote for 'anyone but xxxx'. You get the politicians you deserve, and ours are absolute shte and have been since, dare I say it, Maggie and Tony Benn, and they are just getting shtter! Yep. You're better off relying on your own bulls*** detector. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 30 Apr 14 1.39pm

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Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.56am

It surprises me that labour supporters are defecting to a party that is even more right wing than the tories.

Whilst I agree that Farage may have a point about europe and the EU, he is using this as a front to try and push through what I've listed above.
Like I said, very very dangerous.

Edited by nickgusset (30 Apr 2014 11.58am)

The blame for that lies firmly with the political classes.
Nobody ever sticks to their manifesto pledges, and they rarely even pretend to try, consequently the manifesto is now a bit irrelevant. It's pretty much down to 'liking the cut of his jib'.

Yep. You're better off relying on your own bulls*** detector.

Optimistic as ever

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silvertop Portishead 30 Apr 14 2.05pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 10.12am Quote silvertop at 30 Apr 2014 10.11am Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 8.34am Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 8.25am Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 8.22am Quote The White Horse at 30 Apr 2014 12.02am I imagine nickgusset was expecting an argument from the right, not the centre left. Nice to be on the side of the racists and homophobes. Pathetic. Labelling all UKIP supporters as racist and whatever homophobic means these days is lazy and cheap. I sometimes wonder if you may have autism as you don't seem to get irony or sarcasm. There is many a true word said in jest. Also, why are you so punchy? I thought you deplored personal remarks on here. Do you have a sympathy period for when your missus is on the blob in order to understand and show solidarity with the female condition? I must confess that I view UKIP voters as elderly people who still call black people "them coloureds" and who refuse to have their sink unblocked by a Polish plumber. I am not saying that is what they are, as that would be lazy and cheap. I am only saying that this is my personal perception. And that, my friend, is prejudice. Yes, indeed. Rather like the perception that liberal voters have no clear political orientation and are all beardy, sandal wearing homosexuals. However, I am prepared to be educated if I am presented with good evidence indicating that UKIP enjoy a broader support accross the demographic in terms of age, ethnicity and so on. Do you have any?
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I imagine nickgusset was expecting an argument from the right, not the centre left. Nice to be on the side of the racists and homophobes.

Pathetic. Labelling all UKIP supporters as racist and whatever homophobic means these days is lazy and cheap.

I sometimes wonder if you may have autism as you don't seem to get irony or sarcasm.

There is many a true word said in jest.

Also, why are you so punchy? I thought you deplored personal remarks on here. Do you have a sympathy period for when your missus is on the blob in order to understand and show solidarity with the female condition?

I must confess that I view UKIP voters as elderly people who still call black people "them coloureds" and who refuse to have their sink unblocked by a Polish plumber. I am not saying that is what they are, as that would be lazy and cheap. I am only saying that this is my personal perception.

And that, my friend, is prejudice.

Yes, indeed. Rather like the perception that liberal voters have no clear political orientation and are all beardy, sandal wearing homosexuals.

However, I am prepared to be educated if I am presented with good evidence indicating that UKIP enjoy a broader support accross the demographic in terms of age, ethnicity and so on. Do you have any?

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Johnny Eagles berlin 30 Apr 14 2.39pm
UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple. I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!) Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour. The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that. They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point. It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 30 Apr 14 2.39pm

UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple.

I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!)

Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour.

The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that.

They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point.

It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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