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Quote ASCPFC at 19 Jun 2014 1.16pm

All major religions have at their core an intolerance of other religions. This intolerance can range from thinking other religious beliefs are weak or simply incompatible to society, to outright hatred - sometimes the whole range of feelings can exist within the same religion. This is probably one of the reasons why religions are successful - 'I'm validated, you are wrong'.
Within Christianity, Islam and Judaism there are liberal elements who co-exist with other religions peacefully - sometimes without caring too much about their own religious beliefs.
However, there are also fanatics, the fundamentalists, who cannot tolerate other religions. These range from people who will not speak to, do business with, or allow marriage with people of other religious creeds to downright fruitcakes who will lop off someone's head for the sake of their religious beliefs.
I suppose that is a bit like National-Socialism where democracy was seen as weak, whilst Communism was seen as punishable by death. Anti-Semitism was a popular device used to get the Nazis votes - I doubt they thought it would ever pan out the way it did initially.
There were also clearly liberal Nazis who would at the very least not get involved in atrocities and there were fanatical Nazis who would do anything to get involved in atrocities. There are surprising atrocities in WWII, such as the killing of British prisoners in the initial stages of the war.
However, Islam is not the new Nazi for one main reason - it is pan national (and not just with a small minority of people), and it is an established religion. Nazism was perhaps elevated to the status of pseudo-religious by the krauts but could in no way be considered a major world belief system. Although governments did have real worries about the spread of Nazism it never got much further than being followed by a small number of disaffected intelligentsia, except in Germany where the people seemed only too willing to give up their basic rights to have a sense of greatness and belonging again - no matter how stupid they looked in their scout uniforms and with their funny salutes.


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Yes radical Islam is going to f**k us but good if we don not clear them out once and for all!.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 19 Jun 14 4.17pm

Quote blind eagle at 19 Jun 2014 3.27pm

Yes radical Islam is going to f**k us but good if we don not clear them out once and for all!.

I don't think they go in for that man on man thing. 24 is aint.


 


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Quote dannyh at 18 Jun 2014 6.34pm

Something tells me that won't be Peffers

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legaleagle Flag 19 Jun 14 7.49pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 19 Jun 2014 2.11pm

Quote ASCPFC at 19 Jun 2014 1.16pm

All major religions have at their core an intolerance of other religions. This intolerance can range from thinking other religious beliefs are weak or simply incompatible to society, to outright hatred - sometimes the whole range of feelings can exist within the same religion. This is probably one of the reasons why religions are successful - 'I'm validated, you are wrong'.
Within Christianity, Islam and Judaism there are liberal elements who co-exist with other religions peacefully - sometimes without caring too much about their own religious beliefs.
However, there are also fanatics, the fundamentalists, who cannot tolerate other religions. These range from people who will not speak to, do business with, or allow marriage with people of other religious creeds to downright fruitcakes who will lop off someone's head for the sake of their religious beliefs.
I suppose that is a bit like National-Socialism where democracy was seen as weak, whilst Communism was seen as punishable by death. Anti-Semitism was a popular device used to get the Nazis votes - I doubt they thought it would ever pan out the way it did initially.
There were also clearly liberal Nazis who would at the very least not get involved in atrocities and there were fanatical Nazis who would do anything to get involved in atrocities. There are surprising atrocities in WWII, such as the killing of British prisoners in the initial stages of the war.
However, Islam is not the new Nazi for one main reason - it is pan national (and not just with a small minority of people), and it is an established religion. Nazism was perhaps elevated to the status of pseudo-religious by the krauts but could in no way be considered a major world belief system. Although governments did have real worries about the spread of Nazism it never got much further than being followed by a small number of disaffected intelligentsia, except in Germany where the people seemed only too willing to give up their basic rights to have a sense of greatness and belonging again - no matter how stupid they looked in their scout uniforms and with their funny salutes.


Yes, you are right. Whatever else Islam may or may not be (or whatever else its more extreme adherents may or not be)its fundamentally (no pun intended) different to National Socialism in that, apart from anything else, Islam is based on membership who becomes a believer to anyone regardless of race, nationality, whereas what underpins National Socialism is the racial superiority of the particular race/nation in question

One point, though, if you read Mein Kampf (not recommended!), its pretty clear what the logical consequence of Hitler's anti semitic world view was. Anti Semitism was not a vote winng tactic that went wrong...The Jews were the "enemy within" polluting the pure and good German race and responsible for all its problems, to be expunged for the glory of the Volk.

 

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Apologies if already mentioned... 18 June 2014 Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell, the Father of the House of Commons, standing as an MP since 1959 has invoked a law last applied in 1806 to impeach Tony Blair for "Lying to the House" for the reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The screws are tightening.

 

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Quote Schuloff at 20 Jun 2014 12.25pm

Apologies if already mentioned... 18 June 2014 Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell, the Father of the House of Commons, standing as an MP since 1959 has invoked a law last applied in 1806 to impeach Tony Blair for "Lying to the House" for the reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The screws are tightening.


No they aren't.....It isn't going to happen.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Jun 2014 12.36pm

Quote Schuloff at 20 Jun 2014 12.25pm

Apologies if already mentioned... 18 June 2014 Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell, the Father of the House of Commons, standing as an MP since 1959 has invoked a law last applied in 1806 to impeach Tony Blair for "Lying to the House" for the reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The screws are tightening.


No they aren't.....It isn't going to happen.



Given time, and time accelerates, Blair will be brought to book, currently the chapter is headed ISIS.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 14 12.44pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Jun 2014 12.36pm

Quote Schuloff at 20 Jun 2014 12.25pm

Apologies if already mentioned... 18 June 2014 Tory MP Sir Peter Tapsell, the Father of the House of Commons, standing as an MP since 1959 has invoked a law last applied in 1806 to impeach Tony Blair for "Lying to the House" for the reasons for going to war with Iraq.
The screws are tightening.


No they aren't.....It isn't going to happen.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 20 Jun 14 12.46pm

I think that the likes of the EDL and Britain First represent more of a threat than Islam. Whils extremist militant islamists might represent a threat to a small number of the UK population, the kind of popularism groups like the EDL and Britain First garner from exploiting peoples fears is far closer to the threat 'New Nazi'.

The UK will never really ever be overly influenced by Islam, simply because so few of the population are Muslims, so radical islamist movements, even less so (as they're a minority among muslims in the UK).

Britian First, putting a different foriegn religeous agenda ahead of the minimal threat of a foriegn religeous agenda, seem to have gained a lot of popularity recently, particually with people who'd never think of supporting a Far Right Christian Fundermentalist group.

 


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