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7mins In the bush 23 Mar 15 2.15pm
Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines? Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.
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Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 15 3.05pm
Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe. You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true. Take a look at crime and fear of crime. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Mar 15 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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reborn 23 Mar 15 4.33pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe. You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true. Take a look at crime and fear of crime. Perception IS peoples reality sadly My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.

Perception IS peoples reality sadly

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 15 4.41pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jun 2014 7.28am Quite a vivid question put by a presenter on BBC this weekend. Are radical Muslims the new Nazi's ? (Obviously, not ALL Muslims, just the few radical ones) I watched the disturbing pictures this morning of around 200 Iraqi soldiers who were captured by ISIS whilst in their barracks. They were then all butchered. The depravity of mankind seems to be bottoming-out with the atrocities committed in the name of religion, and in particular, Islam. As Britain, (formerly, Great Britain), tiptoes around human rights, and swerves racism, and allows Muslims to wear full face-masks, not just in public, but in airport departure points, (something that wouldn't have been tolerated during the decades of IRA activity) Isn't it time to marginalise the radical groups/individuals ? In the IRA case, Britain even used internment. But how do you combat an enemy, who have largely blended into the population, whether on these shores, or in foreign lands, and only make themselves known once the suicide bomb has detonated, the kidnap has occurred, or the streets are running in blood.(tips a nod to Enoch) Am I scare-mongering, or are these radicals a significant problem ? 9/11, 7/7, 'The Muslim Patrols' in London, and now the mobilisation of militia who are causing atrocities in the name of Islam in the power vacuum created by western military withdrawl. Would I have a happier life if I stopped reading/watching The News, or would I be complicit in ignoring issues outside my own tiny sphere of influence ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Jun 2014 8.08am) Yes the radical Moslems are Nazis on steroids!.
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Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 15 4.41pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 16 Jun 2014 7.28am

Quite a vivid question put by a presenter on BBC this weekend.

Are radical Muslims the new Nazi's ?

(Obviously, not ALL Muslims, just the few radical ones)

I watched the disturbing pictures this morning of around 200 Iraqi soldiers who were captured by ISIS whilst in their barracks. They were then all butchered.

The depravity of mankind seems to be bottoming-out with the atrocities committed in the name of religion, and in particular, Islam.

As Britain, (formerly, Great Britain), tiptoes around human rights, and swerves racism, and allows Muslims to wear full face-masks, not just in public, but in airport departure points, (something that wouldn't have been tolerated during the decades of IRA activity)
Isn't it time to marginalise the radical groups/individuals ?
In the IRA case, Britain even used internment. But how do you combat an enemy, who have largely blended into the population, whether on these shores, or in foreign lands, and only make themselves known once the suicide bomb has detonated, the kidnap has occurred, or the streets are running in blood.(tips a nod to Enoch)

Am I scare-mongering, or are these radicals a significant problem ? 9/11, 7/7, 'The Muslim Patrols' in London, and now the mobilisation of militia who are causing atrocities in the name of Islam in the power vacuum created by western military withdrawl.

Would I have a happier life if I stopped reading/watching The News, or would I be complicit in ignoring issues outside my own tiny sphere of influence ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (16 Jun 2014 8.08am)

Yes the radical Moslems are Nazis on steroids!.

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7mins In the bush 23 Mar 15 5.12pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe. You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true. Take a look at crime and fear of crime. Whilst I do not disagree... can you tell me if you believe there was a plot to over take schools?
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In the bush 23 Mar 15 5.12pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Mar 2015 3.05pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

You have heard of politics, its entirely about defining truth these days. It doesn't really matter what is actually true, its what people think is true.

Take a look at crime and fear of crime.

Whilst I do not disagree... can you tell me if you believe there was a plot to over take schools?

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imbored UK 23 Mar 15 5.24pm
Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines? Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe. Theresa May, beacon of truth. If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying. It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity. More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case. Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm)
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Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

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MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

Theresa May, beacon of truth.

If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying.

It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity.

More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case.

Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm)

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TUX redhill 23 Mar 15 7.30pm
Quote imbored at 23 Mar 2015 5.24pm Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm [Link] MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair. It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam. A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless. So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines? Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am) I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue. The far right will exaggerate The left will bury their heads in the sand and the great unwashed will not know who to believe. Theresa May, beacon of truth. If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying. It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity. More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case. Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm) We desperately need an 'applause' smiley.
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redhill 23 Mar 15 7.30pm

Quote imbored at 23 Mar 2015 5.24pm

Quote 7mins at 23 Mar 2015 2.15pm

Quote Seth at 19 Mar 2015 1.51am

Quote nickgusset at 18 Mar 2015 11.14pm

[Link]

MPs have criticised Ofsted and the government over a "worrying lack of coordination" between five overlapping official inquiries into the so-called Trojan Horse affair.

It was alleged last year extremists had tried to take over several schools in Birmingham to advance radical interpretations of Islam.

A series of official investigations found the claims to be groundless.

So the whole "Trojan horse" thing was just a load of bollocks? Amazing. I wonder whose agenda was served by those sensationalist headlines?

Edited by Seth (19 Mar 2015 1.51am)

I was always of the understanding it was more of a plot, which was quickly acted on after one incident and those that were planning were grassed up. Either way I don't believe it was "groundless" as it was a key point in Theresa May's speech this morning... and I can't believe she (and her many advisers) would reference something that was untrue.
The far right will exaggerate
The left will bury their heads in the sand
and the great unwashed will not know who to believe.

Theresa May, beacon of truth.

If parties can get away with something that furthers their agenda without it raising eyebrows they do so, regardless of the merits of what they're saying.

It's an unfortunate thing to say, but you're unlikely to get far as a politician if you're particularly bothered about actual honesty and integrity.

More of a general thought, rather than specific to this case.

Edited by imbored (23 Mar 2015 5.25pm)

We desperately need an 'applause' smiley.

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legaleagle 23 Mar 15 9.08pm
Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation...
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23 Mar 15 9.08pm

Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation...

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OldFella London 24 Mar 15 9.16am
Quote legaleagle at 23 Mar 2015 9.08pm Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation... Especially with the lefties... Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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London 24 Mar 15 9.16am

Quote legaleagle at 23 Mar 2015 9.08pm

Yup,that's the general way it is,regardless of party affiliation...

Especially with the lefties...

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Jul 21 2.59pm
the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps. And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ? clue : West Yorkshire [Link] Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.

And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

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Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps. And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ? clue : West Yorkshire [Link] What book was it? The Quaran, The Old Testament or The Blue Peter annual, 1979? Red and Blue Army!
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.

And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

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What book was it? The Quaran, The Old Testament or The Blue Peter annual, 1979?

Red and Blue Army!

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PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Jul 21 4.33pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps. And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ? clue : West Yorkshire [Link] And when challenged for all the violent nasty ideology ? ah yes, but those beliefs* must be understood in the context of their time. A very different time to the World of 2021. ( * both sets of beliefs ) Eze Peasy at Anfield....
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south pole 21 Jul 21 4.33pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the Nazi Party sent thousands of Gays to their deaths in the concentration camps.

And what boarding school has just failed an Ofsted inspection ? for a book in the school library calling for death to all gays ?

clue : West Yorkshire

[Link]

And when challenged for all the violent nasty ideology ?

ah yes, but those beliefs* must be understood in the context of their time. A very different time to the World of 2021.

( * both sets of beliefs )

Eze Peasy at Anfield....

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