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MikeT Burlington (Toronto Area) 18 Jul 14 8.34pm
Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. Yep, that was my understanding. It actually wasn't flown as a standalone flag; it was a small part of a banner. It was red and blue and was construed as denoting Palace as rebels and underdogs. But they are aware now, and, to their credit, readily agreed to drop it when they understood the significance and how it might be detrimental to the club's reputation.
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MikeT

Burlington (Toronto Area) 18 Jul 14 8.34pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

Yep, that was my understanding. It actually wasn't flown as a standalone flag; it was a small part of a banner. It was red and blue and was construed as denoting Palace as rebels and underdogs. But they are aware now, and, to their credit, readily agreed to drop it when they understood the significance and how it might be detrimental to the club's reputation.

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MikeT Burlington (Toronto Area) 18 Jul 14 8.46pm
Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)
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MikeT

Burlington (Toronto Area) 18 Jul 14 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it.

Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

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Stirlingsays Online 19 Jul 14 2.43am
Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm) I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas. It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Jul 14 2.43am

Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it.

Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas.

It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Arizona Pozzuoli 19 Jul 14 7.39am
East Croydon,, the American South....same thing.
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Arizona

Pozzuoli 19 Jul 14 7.39am

East Croydon,, the American South....same thing.

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Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 19 Jul 14 8.26am
Quote Stirlingsays at 19 Jul 2014 2.43am Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm) I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas. It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am) Good progress on this thread. B+
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Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 19 Jul 14 8.26am

Quote Stirlingsays at 19 Jul 2014 2.43am

Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it.

Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas.

It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am)

Good progress on this thread. B+

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grump Milford On Sea 19 Jul 14 11.11am
Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm) But wouldn't that offend the fans of our opponnents ??? Stay out the way of the Southern thing.
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grump

Milford On Sea 19 Jul 14 11.11am

Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

But wouldn't that offend the fans of our opponnents ???

Stay out the way of the Southern thing.

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MikeT Burlington (Toronto Area) 19 Jul 14 8.30pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 19 Jul 2014 2.43am Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm) I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas. It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am) Don't make me larf! A good third of this thread has been you trying to convince us that you could display the flag and people could just ask you whether you have racist intent or not, plus a series of exasperated responders unsuccessfully trying to combat your highly individualized logic. [Link]
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MikeT

Burlington (Toronto Area) 19 Jul 14 8.30pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 19 Jul 2014 2.43am

Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it.

Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

I think it's been a good thread with lots of interesting arguments and ideas.

It's been a typically interesting 'general talk' thread in that sense.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 2.43am)

Don't make me larf! A good third of this thread has been you trying to convince us that you could display the flag and people could just ask you whether you have racist intent or not, plus a series of exasperated responders unsuccessfully trying to combat your highly individualized logic.

[Link]

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MikeT Burlington (Toronto Area) 19 Jul 14 8.32pm
Quote grump at 19 Jul 2014 11.11am Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag. How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club. Has to be said more than a few times. This fact gets lost in the reams of mostly irrelevant historical interpretations, professions of flag love, windups, and infringements on personal freedom of expression arguments in this thread. However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm) But wouldn't that offend the fans of our opponnents ??? Undoubtedly. :-)
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MikeT

Burlington (Toronto Area) 19 Jul 14 8.32pm

Quote grump at 19 Jul 2014 11.11am

Quote MikeT at 18 Jul 2014 8.46pm

Quote Mapletree at 18 Jul 2014 8.33pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 18 Jul 2014 7.43pm

you've failed to consider that possibly the H.fanatics have just used it as a 'rebel' flag & not considered or even don't know the history of the flag.

How many times does it have to be said that most people think the HF didn't understand the connotations but have now been told by the club.

However, think we're making progress. Seems like we should just be waving a red and blue flag with a very large eagle on it. Edited by MikeT (18 Jul 2014 8.47pm)

But wouldn't that offend the fans of our opponnents ???

Undoubtedly. :-)

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Stirlingsays Online 19 Jul 14 9.57pm
Quote MikeT at 19 Jul 2014 8.30pm Don't make me larf! A good third of this thread has been you trying to convince us that you could display the flag and people could just ask you whether you have racist intent or not, plus a series of exasperated responders unsuccessfully trying to combat your highly individualized logic. [Link] Oh well, I thought it was an interesting discussion about the the personal right of expression versus offence that groups might take to the flag.. It is of course legal to fly this flag....But despite how you phrase your post I never stated a desire to fly it myself....As I say it's about another person's right of expression. It's a fact that the flag means different things to different people. Some people objected, others agreed and some sat on the fence so you description of the thread is highly myopic. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 9.59pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote MikeT at 19 Jul 2014 8.30pm

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Oh well, I thought it was an interesting discussion about the the personal right of expression versus offence that groups might take to the flag..

It is of course legal to fly this flag....But despite how you phrase your post I never stated a desire to fly it myself....As I say it's about another person's right of expression.

It's a fact that the flag means different things to different people.

Some people objected, others agreed and some sat on the fence so you description of the thread is highly myopic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Jul 2014 9.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 20 Jul 14 10.39am
For crapsake Stirling, go and fly a Swaztica for the same head-in-the-sand reason and see the result. Yes it's not illegal and people have their own take, they will keep to themselves.....yea right. Thank god the new season's here soon
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adrian b

Landrindod, Wales 20 Jul 14 10.39am

For crapsake Stirling, go and fly a Swaztica for the same head-in-the-sand reason and see the result. Yes it's not illegal and people have their own take, they will keep to themselves.....yea right. Thank god the new season's here soon

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Jul 14 6.31pm
Quote adrian b at 20 Jul 2014 10.39am For crapsake Stirling, go and fly a Swaztica for the same head-in-the-sand reason and see the result. Yes it's not illegal and people have their own take, they will keep to themselves.....yea right. Thank god the new season's here soon I'm with Stirling, overall I think this thread has been a good one. A couple of posters though don't seem to think that anyone is entitled to a differing opinion. You keep talking about the swaztika but they're completely different arguments. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 20 Jul 14 6.31pm

Quote adrian b at 20 Jul 2014 10.39am

I'm with Stirling, overall I think this thread has been a good one. A couple of posters though don't seem to think that anyone is entitled to a differing opinion.

You keep talking about the swaztika but they're completely different arguments.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 20 Jul 14 8.50pm
This thread is about flying a flag at Selhurst and the impression this gives to the rest of the World. The Swaztica, like the confederate rag is a flag. It's not a completely different argument. The point being asked about is whether people should be happily allowed to fly any flag they wish and that's the issue I'm addressing. If you are stating they should be able to than that includes the swatztica. As you say they have a difference of opinion and assume it is ok to do so. Ok do it then and the image this gives of our club? You're ok with that? I hope not
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adrian b

Landrindod, Wales 20 Jul 14 8.50pm

This thread is about flying a flag at Selhurst and the impression this gives to the rest of the World. The Swaztica, like the confederate rag is a flag. It's not a completely different argument. The point being asked about is whether people should be happily allowed to fly any flag they wish and that's the issue I'm addressing. If you are stating they should be able to than that includes the swatztica. As you say they have a difference of opinion and assume it is ok to do so. Ok do it then and the image this gives of our club? You're ok with that? I hope not

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