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matt_himself Matataland 16 Jul 14 11.21pm
TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party: [Link] This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 16 Jul 14 11.21pm

TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party:

[Link]

This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades:

[Link]

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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matt_himself Matataland 16 Jul 14 11.27pm
And this: [Link] "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 16 Jul 14 11.27pm

And this:

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 14 12.17am
Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party: [Link] This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades: [Link] Interestingly the Socialist is the newspaper of the British Socialist Party, which is not the same as the Socialist Workers Party (in fact the two have a long history of disagreement). The socialist party has always really been a separate organisation stemming from Militant within the Labour Party. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm

TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party:

[Link]

This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades:

[Link]

Interestingly the Socialist is the newspaper of the British Socialist Party, which is not the same as the Socialist Workers Party (in fact the two have a long history of disagreement). The socialist party has always really been a separate organisation stemming from Militant within the Labour Party.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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legaleagle 17 Jul 14 12.39am
Yes, the world has known no hatred like the wrath of different Trotskyite sects to each other!
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17 Jul 14 12.39am

Yes, the world has known no hatred like the wrath of different Trotskyite sects to each other!

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Red-Blue-Yellow Surrey 17 Jul 14 2.25am
Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 12.39am Yes, the world has known no hatred like the wrath of different Trotskyite sects to each other! Fcuking nonsense(and you know it), there's a world of difference between Socialism and whatever it is exactly that you believe Trotsky believed in(which was not a constant during his career anyway). To Each According To His Need, From Each According To His Ability. That is the Socialist Credo and I cannot think of a better one. I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football. [Link] twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely. Come and JOIN. Or they'll nick your telly.
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Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 12.39am

Yes, the world has known no hatred like the wrath of different Trotskyite sects to each other!

Fcuking nonsense(and you know it), there's a world of difference between Socialism and whatever it is exactly that you believe Trotsky believed in(which was not a constant during his career anyway).

To Each According To His Need, From Each According To His Ability.
That is the Socialist Credo and I cannot think of a better one.

I also enjoy posting on: Love Everton Forum, the Acceptable Face of Scouse Football.
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twitter.com/LuvEvertonForum
Come and give it a look, new members would be lovely.
Come and JOIN.
Or they'll nick your telly.

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legaleagle 17 Jul 14 9.19am
You have misunderstood me or maybe I didn't express myself well. I know what Trotsky believed in (and agree it wasn't a constant)and would certainly have supported Trotsky v Stalin in the 1920's/30's. I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato. I was commenting (following the previous poster pointing out that the OP had got his "Trotskyist" groups mixed up) that (as is true and as I think many who have mixed in such circles at one time or another have seen) that Trotskyism has been characterised by groupings being obsessed by minor ideological differences with other similar groups and often becoming embroiled in venomous and silly internecine squabbles as to who was the true inheritor/standard bearer of the pure "faith"(anyone remember the SWP,IMG and WRP back in the day?). I was supporting the poster's point that it would be wrong and naïve to say that the Socialist Party and the SWP are the same entity... Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.26am)
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17 Jul 14 9.19am

You have misunderstood me or maybe I didn't express myself well. I know what Trotsky believed in (and agree it wasn't a constant)and would certainly have supported Trotsky v Stalin in the 1920's/30's.

I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato.

I was commenting (following the previous poster pointing out that the OP had got his "Trotskyist" groups mixed up) that (as is true and as I think many who have mixed in such circles at one time or another have seen) that Trotskyism has been characterised by groupings being obsessed by minor ideological differences with other similar groups and often becoming embroiled in venomous and silly internecine squabbles as to who was the true inheritor/standard bearer of the pure "faith"(anyone remember the SWP,IMG and WRP back in the day?). I was supporting the poster's point that it would be wrong and naïve to say that the Socialist Party and the SWP are the same entity...

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matt_himself Matataland 17 Jul 14 9.28am
Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 9.19am You have misunderstood me or maybe I didn't express myself well. I know what Trotsky believed in (and agree it wasn't a constant)and would certainly have supported Trotsky v Stalin in the 1920's/30's. I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato. I was commenting (following the previous poster pointing out that the OP had got his "Trotskyist" groups mixed up) that (as is true and as I think many who have mixed in such circles at one time or another have seen) that Trotskyism has been characterised by groupings being obsessed by minor ideological differences with other similar groups and often becoming embroiled in venomous and silly internecine squabbles as to who was the true inheritor/standard bearer of the pure "faith"(anyone remember the SWP,IMG and WRP back in the day?). I was supporting the poster's point that it would be wrong and naïve to say that the Socialist Party and the SWP are the same entity... Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.26am) Where did I mention 'Trotskyist Groups' in my initial post and where did I get them mixed up? If you read the Socialist Party bulletin, it makes reference to SWP being a partner in TUSC. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 17 Jul 14 9.28am

Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 9.19am

I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato.

Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.26am)

Where did I mention 'Trotskyist Groups' in my initial post and where did I get them mixed up?

If you read the Socialist Party bulletin, it makes reference to SWP being a partner in TUSC.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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DanH SW2 17 Jul 14 9.31am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2014 12.17am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party: [Link] This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades: [Link] Interestingly the Socialist is the newspaper of the British Socialist Party, which is not the same as the Socialist Workers Party (in fact the two have a long history of disagreement). The socialist party has always really been a separate organisation stemming from Militant within the Labour Party. Misleading start to your post jamie.
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SW2 17 Jul 14 9.31am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2014 12.17am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm

TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party:

[Link]

This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades:

[Link]

Interestingly the Socialist is the newspaper of the British Socialist Party, which is not the same as the Socialist Workers Party (in fact the two have a long history of disagreement). The socialist party has always really been a separate organisation stemming from Militant within the Labour Party.

Misleading start to your post jamie.

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legaleagle 17 Jul 14 9.34am
.. Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.35am)
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legaleagle 17 Jul 14 9.36am
Quote matt_himself at 17 Jul 2014 9.28am Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 9.19am You have misunderstood me or maybe I didn't express myself well. I know what Trotsky believed in (and agree it wasn't a constant)and would certainly have supported Trotsky v Stalin in the 1920's/30's. I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato. I was commenting (following the previous poster pointing out that the OP had got his "Trotskyist" groups mixed up) that (as is true and as I think many who have mixed in such circles at one time or another have seen) that Trotskyism has been characterised by groupings being obsessed by minor ideological differences with other similar groups and often becoming embroiled in venomous and silly internecine squabbles as to who was the true inheritor/standard bearer of the pure "faith"(anyone remember the SWP,IMG and WRP back in the day?). I was supporting the poster's point that it would be wrong and naïve to say that the Socialist Party and the SWP are the same entity... Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.26am) Where did I mention 'Trotskyist Groups' in my initial post and where did I get them mixed up? If you read the Socialist Party bulletin, it makes reference to SWP being a partner in TUSC. Fair enough. I had not looked at your link and had made incorrect assumptions based on your general history of postings re "the left". I had misinterpreted the post I had responded to. Though the points re internecine dislikes stand.
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17 Jul 14 9.36am

Quote matt_himself at 17 Jul 2014 9.28am

Quote legaleagle at 17 Jul 2014 9.19am

I can't think of a better credo either. As to whether Trotskyism or something else represents the essence of socialist principles...I wasn't going anywhere near that hot potato.

Edited by legaleagle (17 Jul 2014 9.26am)

Where did I mention 'Trotskyist Groups' in my initial post and where did I get them mixed up?

If you read the Socialist Party bulletin, it makes reference to SWP being a partner in TUSC.

Fair enough. I had not looked at your link and had made incorrect assumptions based on your general history of postings re "the left". I had misinterpreted the post I had responded to. Though the points re internecine dislikes stand.

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EagleEyedAlbert ...too far north of the water. 17 Jul 14 9.45am
Shouldn't this be in Fun Talk? "IS HE!!?" -Can often be found on HOL Radio chatting Palace-related nonsense: Catch it here, Sunday Nights 8pm: [Link] HOL Radio Twitter: [Link] Me on the Twitter: [Link] "You don't own a dog & bark yourself, do you?"
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Shouldn't this be in Fun Talk?

"IS HE!!?"

-Can often be found on HOL Radio chatting Palace-related nonsense:

Catch it here, Sunday Nights 8pm: [Link]

HOL Radio Twitter: [Link]

Me on the Twitter: [Link]

"You don't own a dog & bark yourself, do you?"

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npn Crowborough 17 Jul 14 10.36am
Quote DanH at 17 Jul 2014 9.31am Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2014 12.17am Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party: [Link] This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades: [Link] Interestingly the Socialist is the newspaper of the British Socialist Party, which is not the same as the Socialist Workers Party (in fact the two have a long history of disagreement). The socialist party has always really been a separate organisation stemming from Militant within the Labour Party. Misleading start to your post jamie.
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Crowborough 17 Jul 14 10.36am

Quote DanH at 17 Jul 2014 9.31am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2014 12.17am

Quote matt_himself at 16 Jul 2014 11.21pm

TUSC are a 'broad coalition', who according to this press release are supported by the Socialist Workers Party:

[Link]

This is something randomly pulled up from the Internet about the Socialist Workers Party which is no doubt written by the 'right wing oppressors' to undermine the comrades:

[Link]

Misleading start to your post jamie.

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