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View rednblue4eva's Profile rednblue4eva Flag Norwood 06 Jan 15 7.46pm Send a Private Message to rednblue4eva Add rednblue4eva as a friend

I see the Oldham deal is falling apart - main club sponsor has said they'll pull out if the club signs him

He can't work overseas and no English club will touch him - so he'd better go & work for his girlfriends father

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Jan 15 7.39am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

I see that a petition has been signed by 30,000 to 40,000 Oldham fans insisting that the club don't sign him.

That seems to be about ten times the average attendance and it's a shame that someone didn't start up a petition (whether for or against) inside the ground on match day so that the club could gauge the depth of feeling amongst the true supporters rather than just the rent a signature mob that will campaign against anything.

I actually feel sorry for Evans as according to the general public his crime is far worse than that of killing people with your car whilst drunk as raping someone makes you unemployable whilst killing someone makes you club captain

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 07 Jan 15 8.01am Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Quote Ian J at 07 Jan 2015 7.39am

I see that a petition has been signed by 30,000 to 40,000 Oldham fans insisting that the club don't sign him.

That seems to be about ten times the average attendance and it's a shame that someone didn't start up a petition (whether for or against) inside the ground on match day so that the club could gauge the depth of feeling amongst the true supporters rather than just the rent a signature mob that will campaign against anything.

I actually feel sorry for Evans as according to the general public his crime is far worse than that of killing people with your car whilst drunk as raping someone makes you unemployable whilst killing someone makes you club captain


I don't feel sorry for him at all, many seem to forget about the victim. Her life will never be the same, she just can't forget about it and move on.

He is just suffering the consquences of his own behaviour.

 


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View The Sash's Profile The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 Jan 15 9.07am Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

Quote Mr Palaceman at 07 Jan 2015 8.01am

Quote Ian J at 07 Jan 2015 7.39am

I see that a petition has been signed by 30,000 to 40,000 Oldham fans insisting that the club don't sign him.

That seems to be about ten times the average attendance and it's a shame that someone didn't start up a petition (whether for or against) inside the ground on match day so that the club could gauge the depth of feeling amongst the true supporters rather than just the rent a signature mob that will campaign against anything.

I actually feel sorry for Evans as according to the general public his crime is far worse than that of killing people with your car whilst drunk as raping someone makes you unemployable whilst killing someone makes you club captain


I don't feel sorry for him at all, many seem to forget about the victim. Her life will never be the same, she just can't forget about it and move on.

He is just suffering the consquences of his own behaviour.


He does maintain he is innocent - he might be, might not be but Ian hits it on the head.

There wasn't this moral outpouring of rage from the non football world when the likes of Lee Hughes and the Plymouth keeper (name escapes) got back to football after both causing death by their actions or indeed the likes of Marlon King and Nile Ranger who appear to be woman beating sociopaths.

30-40k Oldham fans signed a petition ? Did they heck as like. There might be a 30k strong petition but I doubt very much that they are regulars at Boundary Park.

Edited by The Sash (07 Jan 2015 9.07am)

 


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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 07 Jan 15 9.16am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Quote The Sash at 07 Jan 2015 9.07am

Quote Mr Palaceman at 07 Jan 2015 8.01am

Quote Ian J at 07 Jan 2015 7.39am

I see that a petition has been signed by 30,000 to 40,000 Oldham fans insisting that the club don't sign him.

That seems to be about ten times the average attendance and it's a shame that someone didn't start up a petition (whether for or against) inside the ground on match day so that the club could gauge the depth of feeling amongst the true supporters rather than just the rent a signature mob that will campaign against anything.

I actually feel sorry for Evans as according to the general public his crime is far worse than that of killing people with your car whilst drunk as raping someone makes you unemployable whilst killing someone makes you club captain


I don't feel sorry for him at all, many seem to forget about the victim. Her life will never be the same, she just can't forget about it and move on.

He is just suffering the consquences of his own behaviour.


He does maintain he is innocent - he might be, might not be but Ian hits it on the head.

There wasn't this moral outpouring of rage from the non football world when the likes of Lee Hughes and the Plymouth keeper (name escapes) got back to football after both causing death by their actions or indeed the likes of Marlon King and Nile Ranger who appear to be woman beating sociopaths.

30-40k Oldham fans signed a petition ? Did they heck as like. There might be a 30k strong petition but I doubt very much that they are regulars at Boundary Park.

Edited by The Sash (07 Jan 2015 9.07am)


Not prescribing an answer either way here, but would you say that actually we should've treated Lee Hughes, Marlon King etc the same way Ched Evans has been treated, rather than conversely treating Ched Evans by the precedent set by past offenders?

I am tempted to say I don't think he should play football again. Mainly because I think he himself would probably find life easier if he didn't and I'm surprised he still persists with trying to get back into football given the attention it's getting.

If I had a criminal record for anything (doesn't matter what the crime was) I wouldn't be allowed to do my job any more or continue coaching on a voluntary basis at my local running club.

Edited by Part Time James (07 Jan 2015 9.17am)

Edited by Part Time James (07 Jan 2015 9.26am)

 




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Quote Part Time James at 07 Jan 2015 9.16am

If I had a criminal record for anything (doesn't matter what the crime was) I wouldn't be allowed to do my job any more or continue coaching on a voluntary basis at my local running club.

That's as may be but with your job I assume that the rules are the same for everybody unlike football where the rules chop and change all the time.

If football had a rule that no-one who had been to prison would be allowed to play again that would be fair all round but to pick and choose which crimes are important enough to kick up a stink over is quite another - especially if killers are treated much more leniently than rapists

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 07 Jan 15 9.29am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Quote Ian J at 07 Jan 2015 9.23am

Quote Part Time James at 07 Jan 2015 9.16am

If I had a criminal record for anything (doesn't matter what the crime was) I wouldn't be allowed to do my job any more or continue coaching on a voluntary basis at my local running club.

That's as may be but with your job I assume that the rules are the same for everybody unlike football where the rules chop and change all the time.

If football had a rule that no-one who had been to prison would be allowed to play again that would be fair all round but to pick and choose which crimes are important enough to kick up a stink over is quite another - especially if killers are treated much more leniently than rapists


Well that's basically what I was asking in the bit you didn't quote. I think I am in agreement with you that the rules should be the same for everyone. For me I think I'm on the side of the fence that says "don't let any of them play" whereas not sure whether everyone would agree with that. And, I'll add, I'm not claiming my opinion is necessarily the right one!

 




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View OknotOK's Profile OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 07 Jan 15 9.50am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

I actually think there was a moral outrage when both Lee Hughes and Marlon King tried to play again. And most Palace fans I know said they wouldn't want either of them dirtying Selhurst Park in the red'n'blue. A sentiment I agreed with.

My view hasn't changed in the slightest. Evans is guilty. He has been found guilty by a jury of his peers. He has then served his sentence. So he should be able to return to work in what ever field he wants to try and find employment.

However I personally wouldn't want him working for my club. And I think every club in the country is likely to turn their backs on him because of the negative publicity attatched to him. And as long as his victim continues to have to be displaced (she has moved home something like 5 times due to threats and hasn't seen her own father for a year because it is deemed too dangerous), I'll be happy that he isn't working as a massively well-paid footballer.

 


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View johnny the eagle's Profile johnny the eagle Flag wivenhoe 07 Jan 15 9.59am Send a Private Message to johnny the eagle Add johnny the eagle as a friend

Just a quick point, if we all got banned from working for committing a crime half the population would be out of work. That would include me, what ever happened to the prison reform lot. Not saying that those sort of crimes are ok or anything like that whatsoever. But, at the end of the day we have all got to make a living. Evans trade is football, if he was a brickie he would be able rightly or wrongly, to continue with his life and trade/job. Maybe he will have to give up football and find something else as a job.

 


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View JohnB's Profile JohnB Flag 07 Jan 15 10.08am Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

I'm not so sure he even raped her. How can you rape someone who gives you a blowy?

 

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View Part Time James's Profile Part Time James Flag 07 Jan 15 10.09am Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Actually you do make a valid point Johnny.

I think in some industries, such as banking which I do, it's impossible to gain employment because of perceived security issues (although technically if I shoplifted for example I don't think that's indicative that I would be a potential fraudster).

Although Evans hasn't actually served his sentance (it was 5 years and he has served 2 I think?) I actually think there are two issues here.
Firstly, will there come a point where he can't be bothered trying to gain employment in football where the sponsors and fans can hold the club (rightly or wrongly) to ransom over it? Will he not just decide to work for an employer where it is entirely at emplyer discretion whether or not to hire him?
Secondly, as above really, it is employer discretion whether to hire him or not. Sheffield United backed down because of the sponsorship and supportership they stood to lose as a result of the stigma attached to him. Oldham seem to want to plow on regardless. I respect both of these teams and neither of them are in the wrong for exercising their right to hire who they want to.

That may seem a little contradictory to what I was saying above. I would, however, sign a petition to say I didn't want him at Palace and that'd be purely based on the crime that he has served his time for.

 




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View redandblue4life's Profile redandblue4life Flag Auckland city ! 07 Jan 15 10.09am Send a Private Message to redandblue4life Add redandblue4life as a friend

Just let him play again FFS !

 

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