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Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
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Excuse me if I've missed something but what is 'an Academy' and how does it differ from 'a School'?


Academy schools are state funded schools in England which are directly funded by central government (specifically, the Department for Education) and independent of direct control by the local authority.

They are a bit like cooperatives in how they operate and in the London area Academies that were originally saying they were only ever aiming to have e.g. 4 schools have been growing way beyond that.

Most Academies up until now have been secondary schools, so this looks like increasing the pressure on the Primary sector. If you want to see how that works, take a look at the march of STEP academy in recent years (Angel Oak, Applegarth, David Livingstone, Heathfield, Gonville, La Fontaine and Wolsey).

The original rationale was, in my opinion, strongly influenced by the fact that Local Education Authorities were highly vocal and tended to be dominated more by the left than the right. Arguably also not brilliantly efficient as each was relatively independent.

So this is a classic move of responsibility from local to central government, in line with the current theme of bringing democracy closer to the people...

 

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Your link doesn't say anything that you claim it does, nick.

Why do you feel the need to put a bulls*** spin on everything?

A school that failed to get every pupil to pass the tests for two years running could be paired with an outstanding school to gain extra support. It could also become part of a teacher swap where heads of departments from good schools take over temporarily.

It's not just you though. The NAHT general secretary makes up a line of fresh bulls*** for the article too.

"Apparently head teachers will be sacked should any - yes, any - child fail the new test. We are all for aiming high but, remember, this is a short test taken by a young child," he said What a cock.

 


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suicideatselhurst Flag crawley 02 Feb 15 5.22pm

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Quote becky at 01 Feb 2015 9.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31079515

Why not? We all did when I was at primary school - it was one of the basic foundation stones of our education!


Don't get me wrong, it's something that all teachers aim for. However, to expect all children to learn them is short sighted.
In all schools I've taught in there has been a wide range of abiliies in a class. With the best will in the world, there will always be one or two who for one reason or another won't manage it.
Morgan should know this, so to use it as a punitive way into forced academisation is clearly a political move.


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The difference now is that 10 or more years ago the least able went to special schools and didn't appear in the data. Now it's much harder to get a pupil into this special school system, so the least able in an ordinary classroom are below what they were in years past. Some pupils in the year before secondary school have the mental ability of 6 year olds due to this policy, and few 6 year olds have ever known x tables up to 12 x 12.
As the majority of schools are academies these days anyway, isn't this just an electioneering ploy to make the Tories look as though they "mean business" with the "Back to Basics" promised by their own John Major many years ago?

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Feb 15 6.01pm

Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 4.16pm

Your link doesn't say anything that you claim it does, nick.

Why do you feel the need to put a bulls*** spin on everything?

A school that failed to get every pupil to pass the tests for two years running could be paired with an outstanding school to gain extra support. It could also become part of a teacher swap where heads of departments from good schools take over temporarily.

It's not just you though. The NAHT general secretary makes up a line of fresh bulls*** for the article too.

"Apparently head teachers will be sacked should any - yes, any - child fail the new test. We are all for aiming high but, remember, this is a short test taken by a young child," he said What a cock.

From

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Education secretary Nicky Morgan has backed a new set of punitive policies ahead of the election, saying that pupils should have memorised the times tables by the end of primary schooling or face having their school’s leadership replaced.

Morgan’s self-proclaimed “war on illiteracy and innumeracy” would see state primary schools in England that repeatedly failed to have a proportion of year-six pupil pass times tables and writing tests be forced to become academies, or have sponsorship replaced if already an academy.

 

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Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 4.16pm

Your link doesn't say anything that you claim it does, nick.

Why do you feel the need to put a bulls*** spin on everything?

A school that failed to get every pupil to pass the tests for two years running could be paired with an outstanding school to gain extra support. It could also become part of a teacher swap where heads of departments from good schools take over temporarily.

It's not just you though. The NAHT general secretary makes up a line of fresh bulls*** for the article too.

"Apparently head teachers will be sacked should any - yes, any - child fail the new test. We are all for aiming high but, remember, this is a short test taken by a young child," he said What a cock.

From

[Link]

Education secretary Nicky Morgan has backed a new set of punitive policies ahead of the election, saying that pupils should have memorised the times tables by the end of primary schooling or face having their school’s leadership replaced.

Morgan’s self-proclaimed “war on illiteracy and innumeracy” would see state primary schools in England that repeatedly failed to have a proportion of year-six pupil pass times tables and writing tests be forced to become academies, or have sponsorship replaced if already an academy.


Part of an opinion piece. Where is that stated as part of the proposed policy? Or even mooted/mentioned by her/them?

His opinion toward the end of the article was wrong, as it turned out.

Edited by Stuk (02 Feb 2015 7.22pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Feb 15 8.30pm

Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 7.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 02 Feb 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 4.16pm

Your link doesn't say anything that you claim it does, nick.

Why do you feel the need to put a bulls*** spin on everything?

A school that failed to get every pupil to pass the tests for two years running could be paired with an outstanding school to gain extra support. It could also become part of a teacher swap where heads of departments from good schools take over temporarily.

It's not just you though. The NAHT general secretary makes up a line of fresh bulls*** for the article too.

"Apparently head teachers will be sacked should any - yes, any - child fail the new test. We are all for aiming high but, remember, this is a short test taken by a young child," he said What a cock.

From

[Link]

Education secretary Nicky Morgan has backed a new set of punitive policies ahead of the election, saying that pupils should have memorised the times tables by the end of primary schooling or face having their school’s leadership replaced.

Morgan’s self-proclaimed “war on illiteracy and innumeracy” would see state primary schools in England that repeatedly failed to have a proportion of year-six pupil pass times tables and writing tests be forced to become academies, or have sponsorship replaced if already an academy.


Part of an opinion piece. Where is that stated as part of the proposed policy? Or even mooted/mentioned by her/them?

His opinion toward the end of the article was wrong, as it turned out.

Edited by Stuk (02 Feb 2015 7.22pm)

I've read several articles, all of which said that Morgan indicated heads may be fired if her new standards fall short in schools.
Stuk, you are being obtuse for the sake of it. Whilst I expect this from certain other posters, I thought it was beneath you.

 

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cornwalls palace Flag Torpoint 02 Feb 15 8.32pm

Quote suicideatselhurst at 02 Feb 2015 5.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 9.53pm

Quote becky at 01 Feb 2015 9.15pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31079515

Why not? We all did when I was at primary school - it was one of the basic foundation stones of our education!


Don't get me wrong, it's something that all teachers aim for. However, to expect all children to learn them is short sighted.
In all schools I've taught in there has been a wide range of abiliies in a class. With the best will in the world, there will always be one or two who for one reason or another won't manage it.
Morgan should know this, so to use it as a punitive way into forced academisation is clearly a political move.


My mum aimed for my head with a wooden clothes brush, whilst being forced to stand on the kitchen table reciting them


..I had a very similar experience, but it paid off brilliantly! I look back on it now and wish she'd been my teacher every day.

 


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Quote nickgusset at 02 Feb 2015 8.30pm

Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 7.21pm

Quote nickgusset at 02 Feb 2015 6.01pm

Quote Stuk at 02 Feb 2015 4.16pm

Your link doesn't say anything that you claim it does, nick.

Why do you feel the need to put a bulls*** spin on everything?

A school that failed to get every pupil to pass the tests for two years running could be paired with an outstanding school to gain extra support. It could also become part of a teacher swap where heads of departments from good schools take over temporarily.

It's not just you though. The NAHT general secretary makes up a line of fresh bulls*** for the article too.

"Apparently head teachers will be sacked should any - yes, any - child fail the new test. We are all for aiming high but, remember, this is a short test taken by a young child," he said What a cock.

From

[Link]

Education secretary Nicky Morgan has backed a new set of punitive policies ahead of the election, saying that pupils should have memorised the times tables by the end of primary schooling or face having their school’s leadership replaced.

Morgan’s self-proclaimed “war on illiteracy and innumeracy” would see state primary schools in England that repeatedly failed to have a proportion of year-six pupil pass times tables and writing tests be forced to become academies, or have sponsorship replaced if already an academy.


Part of an opinion piece. Where is that stated as part of the proposed policy? Or even mooted/mentioned by her/them?

His opinion toward the end of the article was wrong, as it turned out.

Edited by Stuk (02 Feb 2015 7.22pm)

I've read several articles, all of which said that Morgan indicated heads may be fired if her new standards fall short in schools.
Stuk, you are being obtuse for the sake of it. Whilst I expect this from certain other posters, I thought it was beneath you.


I'm not being obtuse with you. I'm fed up with media swerve and conjecture, and am really only interested in hearing the facts.

And none of this will ever actually happen, in my opinion. That goes for the testing, the forced changes or the sackings.

 


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legaleagle Flag 02 Feb 15 9.24pm

Quote Mapletree at 02 Feb 2015 1.24pm

Quote TUX at 01 Feb 2015 6.47pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
[Link]

Excuse me if I've missed something but what is 'an Academy' and how does it differ from 'a School'?


Academy schools are state funded schools in England which are directly funded by central government (specifically, the Department for Education) and independent of direct control by the local authority.

They are a bit like cooperatives in how they operate and in the London area Academies that were originally saying they were only ever aiming to have e.g. 4 schools have been growing way beyond that.

Most Academies up until now have been secondary schools, so this looks like increasing the pressure on the Primary sector. If you want to see how that works, take a look at the march of STEP academy in recent years (Angel Oak, Applegarth, David Livingstone, Heathfield, Gonville, La Fontaine and Wolsey).

The original rationale was, in my opinion, strongly influenced by the fact that Local Education Authorities were highly vocal and tended to be dominated more by the left than the right. Arguably also not brilliantly efficient as each was relatively independent.

So this is a classic move of responsibility from local to central government, in line with the current theme of bringing democracy closer to the people...


Bringing democracy closer to the people? By replacing a system where local authorities are voted in/out by local voters who have the ability should they choose to vote on local issues,including ones re local education,with one where your vote is mixed in once every 5 years with those of the whole UK on a whole range of issues many of which may be completely unconnected to education in your local area?

Increased democracy closer to the people or simply trying to reduce overall democracy where the local current outcomes don't all suit a ruling government's political views?Increased centralisation IMO rarely equates to increased democracy brought closer to the people.

If people want a very recent multi-party (but non governmental) overview of the success or otherwise of academies to date,try this from the House of Commons Education Committee published less than two weeks ago.

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Edited by legaleagle (02 Feb 2015 9.33pm)

 

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Quote legaleagle at 02 Feb 2015 9.24pm

Quote Mapletree at 02 Feb 2015 1.24pm

Quote TUX at 01 Feb 2015 6.47pm

Quote nickgusset at 01 Feb 2015 11.22am

Under Tory cund plans, if all students do not know their times tables on leaving primary school for 2 years in a row, a school can be forced into being an academy. How stupid! Whilst I acknowledge that rapid recall of multiplication facts is a good thing, there is no way on God's earth that all children are capable of learning them.
[Link]

Excuse me if I've missed something but what is 'an Academy' and how does it differ from 'a School'?


Academy schools are state funded schools in England which are directly funded by central government (specifically, the Department for Education) and independent of direct control by the local authority.

They are a bit like cooperatives in how they operate and in the London area Academies that were originally saying they were only ever aiming to have e.g. 4 schools have been growing way beyond that.

Most Academies up until now have been secondary schools, so this looks like increasing the pressure on the Primary sector. If you want to see how that works, take a look at the march of STEP academy in recent years (Angel Oak, Applegarth, David Livingstone, Heathfield, Gonville, La Fontaine and Wolsey).

The original rationale was, in my opinion, strongly influenced by the fact that Local Education Authorities were highly vocal and tended to be dominated more by the left than the right. Arguably also not brilliantly efficient as each was relatively independent.

So this is a classic move of responsibility from local to central government, in line with the current theme of bringing democracy closer to the people...


Bringing democracy closer to the people? By replacing a system where local authorities are voted in/out by local voters who have the ability should they choose to vote on local issues,including ones re local education,with one where your vote is mixed in once every 5 years with those of the whole UK on a whole range of issues many of which may be completely unconnected to education in your local area?

Increased democracy closer to the people or simply trying to reduce overall democracy where the local current outcomes don't all suit a ruling government's political views?Increased centralisation IMO rarely equates to increased democracy brought closer to the people.

If people want a very recent multi-party (but non governmental) overview of the success or otherwise of academies to date,try this from the House of Commons Education Committee published less than two weeks ago.

[Link]

Edited by legaleagle (02 Feb 2015 9.33pm)


Sorry, I think that classes as a whoosh. The three dots may be an indication that what I said was intended to be irony.

 

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