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This is America where people get shot every day. This story is no different to the many other shootings that happen in USA except that the shooter was white whilst the victims were Muslims so it's being built up into a race hate crime whereas it seems that the religion of those that died was completely irrelevant.

It's fairly obvious that if a country allows it's citizens to own guns there are going to be a few crackpots that actually use them

Of course, if there situation was reversed, the fact of the individuals religious background would be a significant factor.

Similar to how pedophile rings are just nonses, until they're muslim pedophile rings. Its what Weatherall identifies as 'positioning of beliefs to defend the norm'


Ahhhh, in a lot of cases I would agree with you, BUT here the Muslim angle was relevant. Many Muslin men do dehumanise no Muslim women, clearly in this case they did, thereby excusing there behaviour, at least to themselves.

Cultural or Religious, I don't know but still relevant.


But what was scant reported was that those same Muslim men treat women in their own community even worse.

The person who said that a paedophile ring ceased to be one where there was a threat of racial tension if policed makes a good point.

 

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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.

Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims? There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

Arguably, an act of self destruction is going to be the proviso of a number of discourses about mental health problems and issues.

The fact we don't consider such behavior to be 'mentalist' is simply because its religious in its orientation. Invariably, I would generally regard any self destructive act as ultimately symptomatic of some rather serious issues.

I'd generally argue that suicide bombing is an 'abnormal psychological behavior'. Indeed, arguably terrorism, has a certain appeal to pathological behavior types which certain religious movements can 'glamourize'.

Usually most of these issues in the US all boil down to two very big social issues in the United States.

1) That the provision of mental health care and intervention in the US is piss poor to non-existent.

2) The availability of guns and US attitudes towards guns as a means of resolving person issues.

 


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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.

Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims? There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.20pm)

I think ultimately, religion has very little actual influence on peoples behavior. People likely as not, aren't really all that driven by things that they're aware of, but instead use things like religion to construct a frame work of justification around 'things that they like'.

Its a bit like how certain people can always justify having been in a fight most weekends, even though it happens week after week. When in reality, the justification is usually constructed as an excuse for hurting someone. Really, they're lying to themselves, because otherwise, they have to face the truth.

Terrorism is all about narcissism, self identity and the banality of modern existence - The alienation of the self from society and all that, it creates a desire and drive for a meaningful existence, which of course is found in the extremes of their own culture.


 


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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

Arguably, an act of self destruction is going to be the proviso of a number of discourses about mental health problems and issues.

The fact we don't consider such behavior to be 'mentalist' is simply because its religious in its orientation. Invariably, I would generally regard any self destructive act as ultimately symptomatic of some rather serious issues.

I'd generally argue that suicide bombing is an 'abnormal psychological behavior'. Indeed, arguably terrorism, has a certain appeal to pathological behavior types which certain religious movements can 'glamourize'.

Usually most of these issues in the US all boil down to two very big social issues in the United States.

1) That the provision of mental health care and intervention in the US is piss poor to non-existent.

2) The availability of guns and US attitudes towards guns as a means of resolving person issues.

I was going to make the same point about mental illness. A Muslim who flips out and starts taking people out could certainly also be considered mentally ill too but it just doesn't fit the narrative. We don't give them a free pass for murder. We shouldn't give anyone one.

 

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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.

Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims? There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.20pm)

I think ultimately, religion has very little actual influence on peoples behavior. People likely as not, aren't really all that driven by things that they're aware of, but instead use things like religion to construct a frame work of justification around 'things that they like'.

Its a bit like how certain people can always justify having been in a fight most weekends, even though it happens week after week. When in reality, the justification is usually constructed as an excuse for hurting someone. Really, they're lying to themselves, because otherwise, they have to face the truth.

Terrorism is all about narcissism, self identity and the banality of modern existence - The alienation of the self from society and all that, it creates a desire and drive for a meaningful existence, which of course is found in the extremes of their own culture.


Great post.

 

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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.

Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims?Becuase if you do not believe in something how can you possibley be fearfull of it ? There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.20pm)


 


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That's the point though, mental illness is a free pass, in a manner of speaking, for murder - we even created laws that cover diminished responsibility. But if we face the truth, that in fact most of these problems in the US relates to mental health and social problems (such as poverty), then the onis is with the state to actually address those problems.

Which is why the 'terrorist', 'culture of violence', 'evils of gangs, drugs' etc are all so popular, they are things we 'can do something about' without having to actually resort to massive social changes, in which we have to accept the consequences of things like welfare responsibility etc.

The absurdity is that the reaction to the problem is to typically take people and put them into even more violent, stressful and disturbing environments, and then eventually release them back into society and expect them to have improved.

We're all delusional, some of us just are delusion in more or less the same way, and call it normal.

 


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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.



Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims?
There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.20pm)

Becuase if you do not believe in something how can you possibley be fearfull of it ?


That's silly. People can perfectly well be scared of the actions of those within a particular religion. In fact we know this to be the case from our own society. Nobody is saying that atheists are scared of a God.

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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 3.55pm)


If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.



Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims?
There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.20pm)

Becuase if you do not believe in something how can you possibley be fearfull of it ?


That's silly. People can perfectly well be scared of the actions of those within a particular religion. In fact we know this to be the case from our own society. Nobody is saying that atheists are scared of a God.

Edited by imbored (12 Feb 2015 4.41pm)


You are saying that the killer was motivated by religion, not the people that follow it,but religion itself, my point is that if you don't believe in something the threat it poses is insignificant. For example I do not believe in atrology or any of that bollicks, so if I read in my stars that I am going to drop down dead, I couldn't give a fcuk, as to me it's all mumbo jumbo. However someone who belives in that stuff might not go out the house all day.

Do you see my point ?

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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imbored Flag UK 12 Feb 15 4.52pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Feb 2015 4.40pm

That's the point though, mental illness is a free pass, in a manner of speaking, for murder - we even created laws that cover diminished responsibility. But if we face the truth, that in fact most of these problems in the US relates to mental health and social problems (such as poverty), then the onis is with the state to actually address those problems.

Which is why the 'terrorist', 'culture of violence', 'evils of gangs, drugs' etc are all so popular, they are things we 'can do something about' without having to actually resort to massive social changes, in which we have to accept the consequences of things like welfare responsibility etc.

The absurdity is that the reaction to the problem is to typically take people and put them into even more violent, stressful and disturbing environments, and then eventually release them back into society and expect them to have improved.

We're all delusional, some of us just are delusion in more or less the same way, and call it normal.

I agree but not all mental illness is treated equally. That's a consequence of it intentionally being fashioned into narratives that are presented to us through politics and media. There is no motivation to help people, especially when some tragic outcomes are useful in keeping the population scared and under control (as you say drug gangs, terror etc).

If anything you could argue that instead of helping people, certain demographics are nudged towards conditions that make it more likely that they will experience mental illness. Much like your inside stressful environments point, but existing on the outside too.

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Oh dear kerm, that’s low even for you my lefty peace crisp eating friend.

Sensationalistic Journalism aside, quite clearly the guy had mental health issues, which begs the more pertinent question, why was a known nutbag allowed to carry a licensed firearm.

This is not what your post infers, some form of white on Muslim massacre that should be judged in the same way as someone from ISIS lopping of a journalists head. In this case it is my belief the race,, or religion of those sadly murdered is immaterial.


And if the reverse had happened? Ali Akbar Mohammed killing three young white students. Would you still be sure it was about parking?


If he was mentally ill then yes of course, what a silly question.

If however Mr Mohammed went into a shopping centre with a semtex and ball bearing overcoat and turned himself and a number of innocent shoppers into red mist, or indeed if Mr Right Wing Nutter did the same, then that is clearly about religion or race.

This incident was not about either, it was about a mentally Ill mans obsession with what he considered his right, and the fact that the country he lives in allowes him, in that mental state to carry a loaded gun.

Nothing more, no matter how you or the press try to portray it.

So if someone is mentally ill, parking can still be given as a reason for why they did it, but religion cannot? How random.

Five seconds after this has happened and armed with next to no facts you are apparently completely certain as to why this occurred. Of course that's a nonsense. As such all that we can read into your certainty is that you're basing it in part on who the killer and victims are.


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If you are mentally ill then I would imagine "the pixes made me do it" is just as valid a reason to the person comitting murder as anything else than comes out of thier troubled mind.

My point is that the guy was a self confessed Athiest so by definition he wasn't religious, so the reason given that it was about parking seems more likley on balance than that of a religious motivated murder.

But hey whatever, why let a bit of common sense over rule a good bit of reverse islamic religious bigotry.

And for your information my opinions for thats what they are, are made from reading the entire article and then googling it to see what else I could find. Maybe you should do the same before you get all righteous.



Why does someone being an atheist mean that they are not motivated to fear or harm Muslims?
There are an awful lot of hate crimes against Muslims and it's not like they're all perpetrated by devout Christians. This man expressed hatred towards religion online. Sure, that doesn't mean that this was the reason he committed this crime, or that it even factored in, but it is what it is. We don't need to remove nuance and proclaim that there is absolutely nothing to this when we don't know that.

Mental illness isn't a free pass. It doesn't mean there is no motivation to actions carried out. You've decided conclusively that there is no motivate based on very little. Well actually you said it was parking, then backtracked when I declared that if that can be motivation so can religion. I don't even like religion by the way. It's nonsensical. I don't like glaring partiality either though.


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Becuase if you do not believe in something how can you possibley be fearfull of it ?


That's silly. People can perfectly well be scared of the actions of those within a particular religion. In fact we know this to be the case from our own society. Nobody is saying that atheists are scared of a God.

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You are saying that the killer was motivated by religion, not the people that follow it,but religion itself, my point is that if you don't believe in something the threat it poses is insignificant. For example I do not believe in atrology or any of that bollicks, so if I read in my stars that I am going to drop down dead, I couldn't give a fcuk, as to me it's all mumbo jumbo. However someone who belives in that stuff might not go out the house all day.

Do you see my point ?


I haven't said that at all I'm afraid. I'm pointed out that atheists are capable of being hateful and hostile towards religious people too. It's not a one way street.

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