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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 12.08pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Feb 2015 9.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.23am
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.13am
How can anyone disagree with... “Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.” Also, this article is from 2013. Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house). And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food. Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate). That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move. I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change. That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London. Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front). Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.
I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 16 Feb 15 12.16pm |
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Quote Romford-Eagle at 16 Feb 2015 12.05pm
Why not just get a job.... Well there is the insecurity of employment, in low skilled labour markets, the whole 0 hour contracts, the working 50-60 hours a week to break even in menial, exhausting work where the prospect of a promotion means actually earning less (because now you can't do overtime). Why bother with all that, when you can get housing benefit, claim the 60-70 quid a week benefit and still have the whole day. Faced with the options, I'd say the second makes far more sense. It would be irrational to choose the first. I suspect most people would struggle to live on 20k a year.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 12.16pm
Quote Romford-Eagle at 16 Feb 2015 12.05pm
Why not just get a job.... Well there is the insecurity of employment, in low skilled labour markets, the whole 0 hour contracts, the working 50-60 hours a week to break even in menial, exhausting work where the prospect of a promotion means actually earning less (because now you can't do overtime). Why bother with all that, when you can get housing benefit, claim the 60-70 quid a week benefit and still have the whole day. Faced with the options, I'd say the second makes far more sense. It would be irrational to choose the first. I suspect most people would struggle to live on 20k a year. Exactly and that's why the government are trying change that. Why should those that do option 1 have to pay for those that choose option 2?
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 12.08pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Feb 2015 9.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.23am
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.13am
How can anyone disagree with... “Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.” Also, this article is from 2013. Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house). And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food. Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate). That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move. I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change. That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London. Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front). Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.
It's the same as it ever was. People just can't be arsed.
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| Hoof Hearted 16 Feb 15 12.36pm | |
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 16 Feb 2015 12.25pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 12.16pm
Quote Romford-Eagle at 16 Feb 2015 12.05pm
Why not just get a job.... Well there is the insecurity of employment, in low skilled labour markets, the whole 0 hour contracts, the working 50-60 hours a week to break even in menial, exhausting work where the prospect of a promotion means actually earning less (because now you can't do overtime). Why bother with all that, when you can get housing benefit, claim the 60-70 quid a week benefit and still have the whole day. Faced with the options, I'd say the second makes far more sense. It would be irrational to choose the first. I suspect most people would struggle to live on 20k a year. Exactly and that's why the government are trying change that. Why should those that do option 1 have to pay for those that choose option 2?
Having an over generous benefits system will fcuk the economy sooner or later.
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| awpalace surrey 16 Feb 15 12.45pm |
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Scuse me.. Whats wrong with that. I for one am sick and tired of getting out of my bed and off my fat arse every day to support those can't be bothered.
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| awpalace surrey 16 Feb 15 12.46pm |
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* that can't be bothered.
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| imbored UK 16 Feb 15 12.49pm |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 16 Feb 2015 12.12pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 12.08pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 16 Feb 2015 9.30am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.23am
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.13am
How can anyone disagree with... “Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.” Also, this article is from 2013. Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house). And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food. Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate). That's nothin new though. When I moved down to London in the mid 80s I was in a bedsit paying £60 a week when I only earned £120. I just had to suck it up and wait until I could afford to move. I agree something needs to be done to make it easier but equally the sense of entitlement that a lot of people have needs to change. That's half your weekly income. 750 quid is likely 3/4 plus of the likely income of a school leaver etc. And this is Reading, not London. Somewhere affordable to live isn't 'self entitlement' its a necessity (especially when you'll need to pony up two months deposit and agency fees, likely another grand up front). Its hardly surprising that people opt for the housing benefit route, rather than work 40 hours a week to be in debt at the end of the month.
I left school and lived with my parents till aged 22 when I had saved up enough for a deposit on my first house. Not everyone is lucky enough to have parents that support them beyond their teenage years though.
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| imbored UK 16 Feb 15 1.02pm |
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Quote gbox82 at 16 Feb 2015 9.06am
Quote serial thriller at 15 Feb 2015 11.39pm
Just in case you didn't realise... I don't even know where to begin. They are c*nts, out of touch, heartless, bloodthirsty c*nts of the highest order and I hope that Ed Milliband wins a landslide not because I like Labour, but just to rub in in these horrible conceited c*nts' faces that even a morally bankrupt party like Labour with a clown as leader is more popular than their brand of victimising, fear-inducing alienating politics. F*ck you Cameron. F*ck you. Whilst this policy seems overly harsh (and at this stage I think it is still a "suggestion" rather than a policy) young people leave themselves vulnerable to this type of policy if they don't vote. It is wrong that recent policies favour the older generation (the new over-65 investment scheme being an example of this) but their turnout is much higher so it is understandable why the politicians do this. It will be interesting to see what policy Labour come up with to counter this idea. We need the two main parties to have different ideas, rather than just trying to appeal to the middle ground, so that voters have a viable alternative. This looks to be their response though I'm not sure that it should strictly be linked to getting the grades. If people aren't the sharpest they still need to be given a chance in life. I'm not sure that either party addresses that. Still, it's better than the Tory policy which is of course as heartless as it is unworkable. Edited by imbored (16 Feb 2015 1.03pm)
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| Lyons550 Shirley 16 Feb 15 1.11pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 15 Feb 2015 11.39pm
Just in case you didn't realise... I don't even know where to begin. They are c*nts, out of touch, heartless, bloodthirsty c*nts of the highest order and I hope that Ed Milliband wins a landslide not because I like Labour, but just to rub in in these horrible conceited c*nts' faces that even a morally bankrupt party like Labour with a clown as leader is more popular than their brand of victimising, fear-inducing alienating politics. F*ck you Cameron. F*ck you.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 16 Feb 15 1.17pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.23am
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.13am
How can anyone disagree with... “Today it is still possible to leave school, sign on, find a flat, start claiming housing benefit and opt for a life on benefits. It’s time for bold action here,” he said. “We should ask, as we write our next manifesto, if that option should really exist at all.” Also, this article is from 2013. Its a shame that its not as possible though to leave school, find a job and afford to rent a flat. I wonder why people opt for the first scenario, when a tiny one bedroom flat around our way will set you back 750-1000 a month (or at least 350-400 a month in a shared house). And that's before you throw in council tax, utilities and food. Good luck affording one if you're a school leaver (or even a university graduate). When you're haemorrhaging the first thing you do is stem the flow...you then deal with repairing it. I certainly like the sound of the German way as Steve c mentioned...Apprenticeships should be really ramped up...once the flow of money can be diverted to it from stemming the flow elsewhere.
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| moaner Westerham 16 Feb 15 1.22pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 15 Feb 2015 11.39pm
Just in case you didn't realise... I don't even know where to begin. They are c*nts, out of touch, heartless, bloodthirsty c*nts of the highest order and I hope that Ed Milliband wins a landslide not because I like Labour, but just to rub in in these horrible conceited c*nts' faces that even a morally bankrupt party like Labour with a clown as leader is more popular than their brand of victimising, fear-inducing alienating politics. F*ck you Cameron. F*ck you. Get a Job
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