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Think again, hippies...

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"They also concluded the use of hash, a milder form of the drug, was not associated with increased risk of psychosis."

I'm not in favour of it, just pointing it out for the sake of argument. And there are a lot of worse things out there which are legal.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 9.16am

So essentially the prohibition of cannabis, has in fact resulted in a greater public health problem than than existed in the first place.

Its essentially a statement that bootleg moonshine is worse for you than whiskey or beer produced in a brewery. Not exactly surprising.

Of course hardly any one drinks moonshine, because they have the option of buying a plethora of different alcoholic products that suit their desires. Where as cannabis smokers have the option of 'what is available', i.e typically artificially hydroponic grown strains of high THC yield cannabis (ie high profit yields).

Of course you need to construct comparative baselines - Its worth noting that, for example, smoking is far higher among schizophrenia, than the general population as alcohol abuse (which exceeds the correlational incidence of cannabis in psychosis).

Really though, its irrelevant because a drug isn't actually banned because its harmful, its banned on the basis of its medical use and potential for abuse. This is why drugs like Benzodiazpam, which kills more people than all legal drugs combined and is highly addictive and habit forming, is a class C, schedule 3 drug (while cannabis is a class b schedule 1).

 


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Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like?

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.16am

So essentially the prohibition of cannabis, has in fact resulted in a greater public health problem than than existed in the first place.

Its essentially a statement that bootleg moonshine is worse for you than whiskey or beer produced in a brewery. Not exactly surprising.

Of course hardly any one drinks moonshine, because they have the option of buying a plethora of different alcoholic products that suit their desires. Where as cannabis smokers have the option of 'what is available', i.e typically artificially hydroponic grown strains of high THC yield cannabis (ie high profit yields).

Of course you need to construct comparative baselines - Its worth noting that, for example, smoking is far higher among schizophrenia, than the general population as alcohol abuse (which exceeds the correlational incidence of cannabis in psychosis).

Really though, its irrelevant because a drug isn't actually banned because its harmful, its banned on the basis of its medical use and potential for abuse. This is why drugs like Benzodiazpam, which kills more people than all legal drugs combined and is highly addictive and habit forming, is a class C, schedule 3 drug (while cannabis is a class b schedule 1).


My best mate brought me back some authentic hillbilly moonshine called white lightning haha its 50% and its in the mason jar. To say it puts hairs on your chest in an understatement...christ! Felt the warmth like 3 hours after drinking it!

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 9.36am

Arguably the entire policy of treating a health problem as a criminal justice one is a disaster that has created far more problems for society than even drugs like heroin and cocaine can produce. We're stuck in a false morality loop that doesn't even consider the consequences of that moral judgement in comparison.

Its just repeating itself.

The current approach doesn't act in the best interests of drug users, addicts, law enforcement, health care workers, relatives of addicts or ordinary members of society - the only people it really benefits is politicians and the media.

Ultimately, we're criminalizing and killing our youth in order to 'send a message' that no ones been listening to for the last 40 years, because it makes no sense.

The problems of addiction and substance abuse cannot be dealt by criminal justice solutions. It would be cheaper to just give away heroin to anyone who wanted it, than the real costs to society of prohibition.

That drugs like magic mushrooms, LSD, Ecstacy are class A, Schedule 1 drugs, sums up the problem. All are non-habit forming, non-addictive, very low risk minimal social impact drugs, which have a much lower social impact than say alcohol.

But the whole government are stuck in an authoritarian power trip where by their 'demand for obedience' outweighs any common sense. It is essentially that people dare to defy their authority, that irks them.

 


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View The Sash's Profile The Sash Flag Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 16 Feb 15 1.35pm Send a Private Message to The Sash Add The Sash as a friend

Ask any overstretched A&E department whether booze or marry-jew-arna should be illegal

I have a brilliant argument every so often with my Father in Law over drugs and addiction where he goes into full Daily Mail ignorant rant mode whilst smoking one of his 40 fags a day and on his 8th glass of wine since 11am which he needs to keep him straight in hid role as a functioning alcoholic.

The legalisation of drugs argument, a bit like immigration, is one that has such polar opposites it will continue only to be in the gift within a cycle of loudmouths which does no actual good whatsoever.

The truth and solution, as with most things in life lies somewhere in between the shouting.

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Quote matt_himself at 16 Feb 2015 4.55am

Think again, hippies...

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hardly groundbreaking - take any stupid-strength chemical and the chances are it's not going to do you any good. Some people like to get f***ed up on silly skunk, other more sensible people will smoke something milder and go about their life mentally sound.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 2.17pm

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Quote matt_himself at 16 Feb 2015 4.55am

Think again, hippies...

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hardly groundbreaking - take any stupid-strength chemical and the chances are it's not going to do you
any good. Some people like to get f***ed up on silly skunk, other more sensible people will smoke something milder and go about their life mentally sound.

Here in lies the problem, options tend to be limited. You generally buy what your dealer has, and suppliers to dealers get more profit out of super-skunk strains.

Of course smoking a large amount of weed on a daily basis will either f**k you up, or is a sign that you have other problems. Whether you getting stoned on strong weed or smashed up on whiskey, the prognosis long term is 'f**ked'.


 


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There are so many variables and different studies supporting both ends of the argument, but I believe momentum is building behind legalisation.


I believe it is a fact cannabis can be a trigger for mental illness, which is what this serves to highlight. I don't think any reasonable person would have denied that prior to this study. Despite that, the benefits of cannabis being legalised or decriminilised, in my view at least, far outweigh the negatives for society as a whole. Some will always fall victim to misuse, but that can said of any substance consumed by man.

I noted a new organisation, describing themselves as a political party, has launched, calling themselves "CISTA", Cannabis Is Safer Than Alcohol. Could that be the start of a movement? I doubt it, but change is coming and would be welcomed by me, despite this report.

 

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Quote jamiemartin721 at 16 Feb 2015 9.16am

So essentially the prohibition of cannabis, has in fact resulted in a greater public health problem than than existed in the first place.

Its essentially a statement that bootleg moonshine is worse for you than whiskey or beer produced in a brewery. Not exactly surprising.

Of course hardly any one drinks moonshine, because they have the option of buying a plethora of different alcoholic products that suit their desires. Where as cannabis smokers have the option of 'what is available', i.e typically artificially hydroponic grown strains of high THC yield cannabis (ie high profit yields).

Of course you need to construct comparative baselines - Its worth noting that, for example, smoking is far higher among schizophrenia, than the general population as alcohol abuse (which exceeds the correlational incidence of cannabis in psychosis).

Really though, its irrelevant because a drug isn't actually banned because its harmful, its banned on the basis of its medical use and potential for abuse. This is why drugs like Benzodiazpam, which kills more people than all legal drugs combined and is highly addictive and habit forming, is a class C, schedule 3 drug (while cannabis is a class b schedule 1).

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Just another angle.

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Feb 15 9.40pm

Quote dougster at 16 Feb 2015 5.44pm

There are so many variables and different studies supporting both ends of the argument, but I believe momentum is building behind legalisation.


I believe it is a fact cannabis can be a trigger for mental illness, which is what this serves to highlight. I don't think any reasonable person would have denied that prior to this study. Despite that, the benefits of cannabis being legalised or decriminilised, in my view at least, far outweigh the negatives for society as a whole. Some will always fall victim to misuse, but that can said of any substance consumed by man.

I noted a new organisation, describing themselves as a political party, has launched, calling themselves "CISTA", Cannabis Is Safer Than Alcohol. Could that be the start of a movement? I doubt it, but change is coming and would be welcomed by me, despite this report.


Instances of psychosis in the population haven't increased significantly, or proportionally to the increased levels of cannabis use in society - Which suggests that whilst a correlational effect is at work, it isn't a strong causal factor - especially given the studies focus on very high quantity abusers (who are drawn from a psychiatric pool).

Its also particually note worthy that psychiatry doesn't regard schizophrenia as generally being caused by environmental factors (and certainly not by environmental factors exclusively), often focusing on genetic and biological casual factors.

So whilst the studies author is keen to push the idea of a causal relationship, its worth noting that this is generally completely against the trend of psychiatry regarding epidemiological factors.

Likely as not, heavy substance abuse, is more consistent with the development of disorders such as schizophrenia, rather than causal. Certainly, you would expect instances of autopsies to show some organic brain tissue damage as a result of cannabis use resulting in schizophrenia.


 


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