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Its the last of the morality laws. Now that its ok to be gay, black, dance on sundays, gamble, drink, screw and otherwise take pleasure in your self. There has always been, in this country, a strong moral group who expect others to abide by their traditions and demands, and reject the idea of anything different. I'm kind of with you to a certain extent.....I'm just reacting to the ideological position of this is a 'right or wrong' matter. It really comes down to the society you want to live in. Personally I still can't stand most junkies...Well the ones I met....And most definitely junkie culture....But that's ok....Everyone's different and have the right to be. No one forces me or mine to smoke or sniff anything......We even get stoner comedies now and everybody laughs.....Except stiffs like me. I'd prefer the system to either just go hard core and ban all non medical usage of mind altering drugs or just allow it completely. Consistency of message.....Not the current soft but tut tut acceptance. Even in my days of heavy use, and habit, I couldn't abide junkies any more than I can pathetic alcoholics. I've known heroin users who aren't junkies as well, which you don't tend to hear about (never had a problem with it myself either). The problem, I think, is that the tried and tested approach failed. It doesn't serve the pragmatic best interests of non-users, drug users or society in general, the only people who actually benefit from it, pragmatically speaking, are criminals, especially in the trafficking and distribution levels. A conservative estimate is that the UK spends 12bn a year on cannabis. Only a tiny percentage of this enters the economy, through laundered front taxation or 'trickle down effect'. The problem with a moral stance, is of course, morality is entirely subjective and based on a false premis (that it actually does any good, which it doesn't). The criminal justice solution just ends up criminalizing people who haven't really caused any harm, and pushing them out of a lot of gainful employment.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Jul 15 9.50am |
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Quote fed up eagle at 24 Jul 2015 7.49pm
There is no war on drugs anymore. Police turn a blind eye because they know that they'll be forced to take on a mountain of paperwork, and it's readily available on every street corner and every side alley. Well not quite that extreme, but its a war that can't be won, ultimately has no value to society, and massively hampers police resources. Most police officers seem to think its a futile gesture aimed at a false moral stance, perpetuated by a tabloid media's love of scaremongering, rather than reporting. And its been far more damaging for society, here and internationally, than the Volstead act in the US was (given its been going on for 50 years). If you can't win a war, when the other side is on drugs....
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Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote chris123 at 27 Jul 2015 9.48am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 Jul 2015 9.34am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 8.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Jul 2015 4.18pm
Its the last of the morality laws. Now that its ok to be gay, black, dance on sundays, gamble, drink, screw and otherwise take pleasure in your self. There has always been, in this country, a strong moral group who expect others to abide by their traditions and demands, and reject the idea of anything different. I'm kind of with you to a certain extent.....I'm just reacting to the ideological position of this is a 'right or wrong' matter. It really comes down to the society you want to live in. Personally I still can't stand most junkies...Well the ones I met....And most definitely junkie culture....But that's ok....Everyone's different and have the right to be. No one forces me or mine to smoke or sniff anything......We even get stoner comedies now and everybody laughs.....Except stiffs like me. I'd prefer the system to either just go hard core and ban all non medical usage of mind altering drugs or just allow it completely. Consistency of message.....Not the current soft but tut tut acceptance. Even in my days of heavy use, and habit, I couldn't abide junkies any more than I can pathetic alcoholics. I've known heroin users who aren't junkies as well, which you don't tend to hear about (never had a problem with it myself either). The problem, I think, is that the tried and tested approach failed. It doesn't serve the pragmatic best interests of non-users, drug users or society in general, the only people who actually benefit from it, pragmatically speaking, are criminals, especially in the trafficking and distribution levels. A conservative estimate is that the UK spends 12bn a year on cannabis. Only a tiny percentage of this enters the economy, through laundered front taxation or 'trickle down effect'. The problem with a moral stance, is of course, morality is entirely subjective and based on a false premis (that it actually does any good, which it doesn't). The criminal justice solution just ends up criminalizing people who haven't really caused any harm, and pushing them out of a lot of gainful employment.
Sorry that's the illegal drug trade is worth about 12bn (10-20bn) a year. I initially edited it to put cannabis, which is worth 5bn a year in sales (2013), and forgot to change the 12 to a 5). Interestingly the UK spends about 400 a year per citizen on maintaining UK drug policy. A lot of people do spend more than a few hundred quid a year on cannabis (in fact most people who partake I'd imagine spend easily over a few grand a year).
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 27 Jul 15 10.02am |
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Quote chris123 at 27 Jul 2015 9.53am
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Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
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Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
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Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 27 Jul 15 10.17am |
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Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote Superfly at 27 Jul 2015 9.22am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 7.59pm
Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote Superfly at 27 Jul 2015 9.45am
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Quote Superfly at 27 Jul 2015 9.22am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 7.59pm
Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote Superfly at 27 Jul 2015 9.22am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 7.59pm
Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
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Quote chris123 at 27 Jul 2015 10.14am
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Quote chris123 at 27 Jul 2015 9.53am
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Quote Superfly at 27 Jul 2015 9.22am
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 7.59pm
Quote Superfly at 24 Jul 2015 3.55pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Jul 2015 3.36pm
Quote We are goin up! at 16 Feb 2015 9.19am
Should be legal, as should ecstasy. Both are a lot less harmful/addictive than alcohol and smoking, as outlined by the drugs report commissioned by the government, who then sacked the guy who wrote it (forget his name) because it didn't fit in with their policy. Would also be much safer than picking up off a dealer that's mixed it with all sorts, meaning less deaths (that's what we all want right?) and would make the government a sh*t load in cash, as well as reducing street crime. What's not to like? The government selling it does not mean people will stop buying from the black market. The market will always be cheaper and will always ignore restrictions. People will still be attracted to that and the usual suspects or the unlucky ones will still die.
No it isn't, I researched this a while back on another thread....Some state in America. The black market still operates. Research it yourself.
The cannabis black market in Holland is negligible. Most of the black market cannabis in Holland is on route elsewhere. I've never heard of anyone in Holland who buys weed or resin from a non-coffee shop source (except for the purpose of trafficking out of Holland). The price is 6 euros a gram to 11 euros a gram where as an eighth, actually usually 1.5 grams oddly, in the UK goes for 15-25 quid upwards. I doubt that its worth actually buying cannabis in Holland from an unlicensed source. Of course a coffee shop cannot sell more than 5g to a single customer.
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