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 Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Feb 15 1.46pm |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 20 Feb 2015 1.35pm
Nothing will happen, it's all posturing and willy waving.
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Stirlingsays  20 Feb 15 1.55pm |
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One observation I'll make is that during EU debates on Hol I've frequently read posts from EU fanboys that promote the idea that one of the main reasons we should love and protect the institution is because it's saving us from war....Bah! Now, my own position on EU actions in the Baltic aside it is without doubt that the role the EU have played in encouraging previously Russia satellite states to think that they can become apart of NATO and the EU has led directly to this military situation.....First Georgia and now Ukraine. It would be quite amusing really if it wasn't actually connected to people dying.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Feb 15 3.51pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 1.43pm
Why won't it happen? Long range bombers is all they need....That's what they want and that's what Russia are providing.....Knock out that runway and we are fecked. Complacent defence reviews assume far too much......You can't defend a nation's interests on positive assumptions. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2015 1.44pm) Firstly The bombers are very old stock (knackered)
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| ghosteagle 20 Feb 15 4.27pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 12.46pm
Putin and the whole aggressive Russia scenario.....Anyone want to put out any guess where this will all end? With the Ukraine reinstating its agreement not to join any military alliances. The Crimea will remain Russian, possibly after another vote, but the outcome was never in any doubt. Sanctions could continue for some time, but they only strengthen Putin domestically.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Feb 15 4.43pm |
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Quote susmik at 20 Feb 2015 3.51pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 1.43pm
Why won't it happen? Long range bombers is all they need....That's what they want and that's what Russia are providing.....Knock out that runway and we are fecked. Complacent defence reviews assume far too much......You can't defend a nation's interests on positive assumptions. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2015 1.44pm) Firstly The bombers are very old stock (knackered)
Anti aircraft isn't going to be effective against high level accurate bombing. As for ground troops....without air cover they are sitting ducks.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Feb 15 4.48pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 20 Feb 2015 4.27pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 12.46pm
Putin and the whole aggressive Russia scenario.....Anyone want to put out any guess where this will all end? With the Ukraine reinstating its agreement not to join any military alliances. The Crimea will remain Russian, possibly after another vote, but the outcome was never in any doubt. Sanctions could continue for some time, but they only strengthen Putin domestically.
The old USSR collapsed exactly because of financial failure.......Russia isn't Iran.....People there will take so much for so long....They have become quite use to better economics over the last decade. Putin would have to go backwards to the secret police to ensure his position.....that and economic collapse is going to be more and more risky for him internally. Personally I think Putin is going to push for all the concessions he can against a weak and pathetic sissy west and then before the reserve runs out pull back....Keeping his gains like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. I hope I'm wrong personally but Putin knows the mentality of the playground and no one wants to fight him back.....So he's gonna take your dinner money. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2015 4.52pm)
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| ghosteagle 20 Feb 15 4.58pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 4.48pm
Quote ghosteagle at 20 Feb 2015 4.27pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 12.46pm
Putin and the whole aggressive Russia scenario.....Anyone want to put out any guess where this will all end? With the Ukraine reinstating its agreement not to join any military alliances. The Crimea will remain Russian, possibly after another vote, but the outcome was never in any doubt. Sanctions could continue for some time, but they only strengthen Putin domestically.
The old USSR collapsed exactly because of financial failure.......Russia isn't Iran.....People there will take so much for so long....They have become quite use to better economics over the last decade. Putin would have to go backwards to the secret police to ensure his position.....that and economic collapse is going to be more and more risky for him internally. Personally I think Putin is going to push for all the concessions he can against a weak and pathetic sissy west and then before the reserve runs out pull back....Keeping his gains like Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. I hope I'm wrong personally but Putin knows the mentality of the playground and no one wants to fight him back.....So he's gonna take your dinner money. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Feb 2015 4.52pm) You may be right about the financial implications but i doubt that the EU will be able to keep the sanctions up for another 18 months, cracks are already begining to show with Hungary & Greece among others questioning the use of sanctions (obviously the greeks could just be using this as a lever rather than a genuine position). Until the economy faceplants Putin is getting stronger. The Crimea is staying Russian and from what i've read any vote would confirm this. Eastern Ukraine will probably stay semi-independent as a buffer zone between Russia & NATO.
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Percy of Peckham  Eton Mess 20 Feb 15 5.00pm |
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Quote Blue'n'red at 20 Feb 2015 1.34pm
Argentina have been "loaned" 12 SU-24's ... what are the odds they'll attack the Falkland islands again? HMS Dragon already on it's way. They are old shiite 70s-80s ...might have been useful the first time around but a couple have recently been downed by the Israelis and Ukranian rebels "throwing sticks" at them. Still, any warplane is better than what the Argies currently have - looks like the world is becoming a very dangerous place again.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Feb 15 5.04pm |
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Quote Percy of Peckham at 20 Feb 2015 5.00pm
Quote Blue'n'red at 20 Feb 2015 1.34pm
Argentina have been "loaned" 12 SU-24's ... what are the odds they'll attack the Falkland islands again? HMS Dragon already on it's way. They are old shiite 70s-80s ...might have been useful the first time around but a couple have recently been downed by the Israelis and Ukranian rebels "throwing sticks" at them. Still, any warplane is better than what the Argies currently have - looks like the world is becoming a very dangerous place again.
This development is massive in terms of Falklands defence if Russia have really given these aircraft.
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| Percy of Peckham Eton Mess 20 Feb 15 5.08pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 20 Feb 2015 5.04pm
Quote Percy of Peckham at 20 Feb 2015 5.00pm
Quote Blue'n'red at 20 Feb 2015 1.34pm
Argentina have been "loaned" 12 SU-24's ... what are the odds they'll attack the Falkland islands again? HMS Dragon already on it's way. They are old shiite 70s-80s ...might have been useful the first time around but a couple have recently been downed by the Israelis and Ukranian rebels "throwing sticks" at them. Still, any warplane is better than what the Argies currently have - looks like the world is becoming a very dangerous place again.
This development is massive in terms of Falklands defence if Russia have really given these aircraft. They have not given them ...they have exchanged them for meat and grain. Quite sad really.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Feb 15 5.08pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 20 Feb 2015 4.58pm
You may be right about the financial implications but i doubt that the EU will be able to keep the sanctions up for another 18 months, cracks are already begining to show with Hungary & Greece among others questioning the use of sanctions (obviously the greeks could just be using this as a lever rather than a genuine position). Until the economy faceplants Putin is getting stronger. The Crimea is staying Russian and from what i've read any vote would confirm this. Eastern Ukraine will probably stay semi-independent as a buffer zone between Russia & NATO.
As a democrat I can't accept these outcomes.....If what you say happened what's to stop Putin's other ambitions. Regions of countries don't just decide for themselves what nationality they are without consultation and agreement from the host nation. Russia can't decide the make up of other countries. What the feck is NATO for?
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| Lofty3rgj 20 Feb 15 5.20pm |
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Hmmm, I like Putin, he got a cheeky smile, but I like the way NATO are doing nothing.
You're asking me what it's all about, and I can't tell you because I don't know what's going on myself. |
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