Mayweather v Pacquiao - Confirmed
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Mayweather has dodged PacMan for years. There's no doubt about that. He's watched his light fade and then agreed to fight him. Wouldn't expect anything less from Mayweather. 5 years ago PacMan was putting on some of the most impressive diaplays in the ring that I have witnessed in my 35 years. To say that Maywether would still have beaten him when Manny was in his prime is just wrong. There's no telling now which way it would have gone though but I think, over the course of a few fights(which is what we should have had) the decisions would have been shared.
One has to question Pacquiao's reluctance to take a blood test coinciding with his quite incredible rise through the weight classess whilst seemingly increasing his explosive punching power which was then followed by a huuuuuuuge decline in speed and power when drug testing was suggested and rejected. 5 years down the line and miraculously, Pacquiao can now handle a blood test that would normally "significantly weaken" him.
Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am) Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am)
And you think that is unusual among sportsmen ? I'm suggesting it's a possibility. And no, i don't think it's unusual. What i think is unusual is how often it's suggested Mayweather dodged Pacquiao but no the other way, considering the facts.
He may have had no choice but to avoid him due to the PED's he may have been taking.It's important to remember that Mayweather originally agreed to the fight with the stipulation that random blood testing was carried out. It was Pacquiao who wouldn't agree to that and thus "dodged" the fight. Pacquiao might have refused the conditions but Mayweather would have know that he had no choice. Which suggests he knew something we didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable demand. Many have agreed since, including Pacqiuao. Had he agreed then, the fight would have gone ahead.
As for the fight. Mayweather did exactly what he wanted and what he always does. The best boxer ever, no doubt about it.
Mayweathyer certainly is not the best boxer ever and he clearly, in my view, used the blood test gambit to avoid the fight. Why risk fighting someone who might beat you when you can keep earning massive money fighting people you know you can beat. That is how boxing works, unless you value the challenge over the money.
Avoid the fight? The one he just won, right? The one he just won five years too late you mean. So he is better than Ali, Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, I could go on a long time. Do you think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler or Chavez ? What about a prime condition Prince Naseem even ?
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Quote youngpalacefan111 at 12 May 2015 4.56pm
the judge clearly knows f*** all about boxing. love how mayweather fights how he sets traps and counters. one thing though check out who was his strength and conditioning coach for this fight. (Alex Ariza), same guy who everyone thinks put peds in mannys drinks in his prime.
There is no definitive answer. How old are you anyway ? Have you seen any boxing from the previous century ?
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Mayweather has dodged PacMan for years. There's no doubt about that. He's watched his light fade and then agreed to fight him. Wouldn't expect anything less from Mayweather. 5 years ago PacMan was putting on some of the most impressive diaplays in the ring that I have witnessed in my 35 years. To say that Maywether would still have beaten him when Manny was in his prime is just wrong. There's no telling now which way it would have gone though but I think, over the course of a few fights(which is what we should have had) the decisions would have been shared.
One has to question Pacquiao's reluctance to take a blood test coinciding with his quite incredible rise through the weight classess whilst seemingly increasing his explosive punching power which was then followed by a huuuuuuuge decline in speed and power when drug testing was suggested and rejected. 5 years down the line and miraculously, Pacquiao can now handle a blood test that would normally "significantly weaken" him.
Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am) Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am)
And you think that is unusual among sportsmen ? I'm suggesting it's a possibility. And no, i don't think it's unusual. What i think is unusual is how often it's suggested Mayweather dodged Pacquiao but no the other way, considering the facts.
He may have had no choice but to avoid him due to the PED's he may have been taking.It's important to remember that Mayweather originally agreed to the fight with the stipulation that random blood testing was carried out. It was Pacquiao who wouldn't agree to that and thus "dodged" the fight. Pacquiao might have refused the conditions but Mayweather would have know that he had no choice. Which suggests he knew something we didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable demand. Many have agreed since, including Pacqiuao. Had he agreed then, the fight would have gone ahead.
As for the fight. Mayweather did exactly what he wanted and what he always does. The best boxer ever, no doubt about it.
Mayweathyer certainly is not the best boxer ever and he clearly, in my view, used the blood test gambit to avoid the fight. Why risk fighting someone who might beat you when you can keep earning massive money fighting people you know you can beat. That is how boxing works, unless you value the challenge over the money.
Avoid the fight? The one he just won, right? The one he just won five years too late you mean. So he is better than Ali, Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, I could go on a long time. Do you think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler or Chavez ? What about a prime condition Prince Naseem even ?
Hagler and Naseem were never in any of his weights, you might as well ask me about Lennox Lewis. Hypothetical situations are no answer, but I reckon he's a better boxer than Chavez ever was.
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Mayweather has dodged PacMan for years. There's no doubt about that. He's watched his light fade and then agreed to fight him. Wouldn't expect anything less from Mayweather. 5 years ago PacMan was putting on some of the most impressive diaplays in the ring that I have witnessed in my 35 years. To say that Maywether would still have beaten him when Manny was in his prime is just wrong. There's no telling now which way it would have gone though but I think, over the course of a few fights(which is what we should have had) the decisions would have been shared.
One has to question Pacquiao's reluctance to take a blood test coinciding with his quite incredible rise through the weight classess whilst seemingly increasing his explosive punching power which was then followed by a huuuuuuuge decline in speed and power when drug testing was suggested and rejected. 5 years down the line and miraculously, Pacquiao can now handle a blood test that would normally "significantly weaken" him.
Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am) Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am)
And you think that is unusual among sportsmen ? I'm suggesting it's a possibility. And no, i don't think it's unusual. What i think is unusual is how often it's suggested Mayweather dodged Pacquiao but no the other way, considering the facts.
He may have had no choice but to avoid him due to the PED's he may have been taking.It's important to remember that Mayweather originally agreed to the fight with the stipulation that random blood testing was carried out. It was Pacquiao who wouldn't agree to that and thus "dodged" the fight. Pacquiao might have refused the conditions but Mayweather would have know that he had no choice. Which suggests he knew something we didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable demand. Many have agreed since, including Pacqiuao. Had he agreed then, the fight would have gone ahead.
As for the fight. Mayweather did exactly what he wanted and what he always does. The best boxer ever, no doubt about it.
Mayweathyer certainly is not the best boxer ever and he clearly, in my view, used the blood test gambit to avoid the fight. Why risk fighting someone who might beat you when you can keep earning massive money fighting people you know you can beat. That is how boxing works, unless you value the challenge over the money.
Avoid the fight? The one he just won, right? The one he just won five years too late you mean. So he is better than Ali, Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, I could go on a long time. Do you think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler or Chavez ? What about a prime condition Prince Naseem even ?
Hagler and Naseem were never in any of his weights, you might as well ask me about Lennox Lewis. Hypothetical situations are no answer, but I reckon he's a better boxer than Chavez ever was.
Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
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like Floyd Mayweather? Your hatred of him is clouding your judgement, like most Mayweather haters.
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Quote TheJudge at 12 May 2015 5.53pm
Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing.
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Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing. If you say so. I would like to have seen those fights none the less.
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Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing. If you say so. I would like to have seen those fights none the less.
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Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing. If you say so. I would like to have seen those fights none the less.
You are a bit obsessed with weight. I agree that the Prince might have lost speed at a heavier weight and look sluggish like he did against Barerra when he was not conditioned but Hagler and Mayweather could certainly fought at an agreed weight.
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Mayweather has dodged PacMan for years. There's no doubt about that. He's watched his light fade and then agreed to fight him. Wouldn't expect anything less from Mayweather. 5 years ago PacMan was putting on some of the most impressive diaplays in the ring that I have witnessed in my 35 years. To say that Maywether would still have beaten him when Manny was in his prime is just wrong. There's no telling now which way it would have gone though but I think, over the course of a few fights(which is what we should have had) the decisions would have been shared.
One has to question Pacquiao's reluctance to take a blood test coinciding with his quite incredible rise through the weight classess whilst seemingly increasing his explosive punching power which was then followed by a huuuuuuuge decline in speed and power when drug testing was suggested and rejected. 5 years down the line and miraculously, Pacquiao can now handle a blood test that would normally "significantly weaken" him.
Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am) Edited by JL85 (09 May 2015 12.59am)
And you think that is unusual among sportsmen ? I'm suggesting it's a possibility. And no, i don't think it's unusual. What i think is unusual is how often it's suggested Mayweather dodged Pacquiao but no the other way, considering the facts.
He may have had no choice but to avoid him due to the PED's he may have been taking.It's important to remember that Mayweather originally agreed to the fight with the stipulation that random blood testing was carried out. It was Pacquiao who wouldn't agree to that and thus "dodged" the fight. Pacquiao might have refused the conditions but Mayweather would have know that he had no choice. Which suggests he knew something we didn't. It's not exactly an unreasonable demand. Many have agreed since, including Pacqiuao. Had he agreed then, the fight would have gone ahead.
As for the fight. Mayweather did exactly what he wanted and what he always does. The best boxer ever, no doubt about it.
Mayweathyer certainly is not the best boxer ever and he clearly, in my view, used the blood test gambit to avoid the fight. Why risk fighting someone who might beat you when you can keep earning massive money fighting people you know you can beat. That is how boxing works, unless you value the challenge over the money.
Avoid the fight? The one he just won, right? The one he just won five years too late you mean. So he is better than Ali, Ray Robinson, Willie Pep, Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, I could go on a long time. Do you think he would have beaten Marvin Hagler or Chavez ? What about a prime condition Prince Naseem even ?
Hagler and Naseem were never in any of his weights, you might as well ask me about Lennox Lewis. Hypothetical situations are no answer, but I reckon he's a better boxer than Chavez ever was. Just because you've decided that Mayweather is the best boxer ever, it doesn't mean that every other possible contender for that title has to exist in the same or even close weight category to him. What if someone thinks the best boxer ever is a heavyweight for instance?
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Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing. If you say so. I would like to have seen those fights none the less.
You are a bit obsessed with weight. I agree that the Prince might have lost speed at a heavier weight and look sluggish like he did against Barerra when he was not conditioned but Hagler and Mayweather could certainly fought at an agreed weight.
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Not quite. I appreciate that Naseem was lighter but he hit like a middleweight and Hagler could have matched Mayweather at an agreed weight of around 150 lbs. Lets not get worked up about weight. The best fighters can fight at a number of weights. Edited by TheJudge (12 May 2015 5.55pm)
That's the thing, he would've hidden that chin - danced around him, out-punched him and taken the points win. That's boxing. If you say so. I would like to have seen those fights none the less.
You are a bit obsessed with weight. I agree that the Prince might have lost speed at a heavier weight and look sluggish like he did against Barerra when he was not conditioned but Hagler and Mayweather could certainly fought at an agreed weight.
Money makes fights. Show a boxer the green and watch him fight at a highter weight.
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