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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 10.08pm
Seems (from an educators perspective at least) that it is on the rise. Is it just being diagnosed more or are there really more cases? According to this article [Link] pesticides are to blame. Thoughts?
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 10.08pm

Seems (from an educators perspective at least) that it is on the rise. Is it just being diagnosed more or are there really more cases?

According to this article [Link] pesticides are to blame.

Thoughts?

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johnfirewall 25 Feb 15 10.26pm
Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines. Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant. Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)
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25 Feb 15 10.26pm

Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines.

Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant.

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 11.22pm
Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines. Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant. Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm) I understand your point about the author, but what's the problem with the graph. It shows a 1 in 5000 prevalence in 1975 up to 1 in 68 in 2014. Are you saying this isn't the case? Sounds about right. Every class I've taught has had at least one kid (out of 30) with ASD.
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 11.22pm

Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm

Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines.

Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant.

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)

I understand your point about the author, but what's the problem with the graph. It shows a 1 in 5000 prevalence in 1975 up to 1 in 68 in 2014. Are you saying this isn't the case? Sounds about right. Every class I've taught has had at least one kid (out of 30) with ASD.

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Stirlingsays 26 Feb 15 12.17am
It's amazing how many poor or incapable parents are willing to offload their responsibility for rearing poorly disciplined and rude children on a label. These conditions do exist but having taught a fair number of children down the years I've seen how abused the whole labeling system is. No one is reasonable for anything anymore.....It's yea label that did it. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2015 12.19am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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26 Feb 15 12.17am

It's amazing how many poor or incapable parents are willing to offload their responsibility for rearing poorly disciplined and rude children on a label.

These conditions do exist but having taught a fair number of children down the years I've seen how abused the whole labeling system is.

No one is reasonable for anything anymore.....It's yea label that did it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2015 12.19am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rubin 26 Feb 15 3.19am
There's a lot of stuff on childhood vaccinations causing autism.
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26 Feb 15 3.19am

There's a lot of stuff on childhood vaccinations causing autism.

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Midlands Eagle 26 Feb 15 6.36am
Quote Rubin at 26 Feb 2015 3.19am There's a lot of stuff on childhood vaccinations causing autism. That was all discredited years ago
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Quote Rubin at 26 Feb 2015 3.19am

There's a lot of stuff on childhood vaccinations causing autism.

That was all discredited years ago

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npn Crowborough 26 Feb 15 8.47am
Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines. Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant. Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm) I understand your point about the author, but what's the problem with the graph. It shows a 1 in 5000 prevalence in 1975 up to 1 in 68 in 2014. Are you saying this isn't the case? Sounds about right. Every class I've taught has had at least one kid (out of 30) with ASD. I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays. I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes.
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Crowborough 26 Feb 15 8.47am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm

Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines.

Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant.

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)

I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays.

I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 15 9.02am
Quote npn at 26 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines. Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant. Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm) I understand your point about the author, but what's the problem with the graph. It shows a 1 in 5000 prevalence in 1975 up to 1 in 68 in 2014. Are you saying this isn't the case? Sounds about right. Every class I've taught has had at least one kid (out of 30) with ASD. I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays. I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes. Labelling or diagnosis?
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Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 15 9.02am

Quote npn at 26 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm

Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines.

Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant.

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)

I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays.

I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes.

Labelling or diagnosis?

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npn Crowborough 26 Feb 15 9.19am
Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 9.02am Quote npn at 26 Feb 2015 8.47am Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines. Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant. Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm) I understand your point about the author, but what's the problem with the graph. It shows a 1 in 5000 prevalence in 1975 up to 1 in 68 in 2014. Are you saying this isn't the case? Sounds about right. Every class I've taught has had at least one kid (out of 30) with ASD. I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays. I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes. Labelling or diagnosis? Some from column A, some from column B. I actually think it's a good thing in the vast majority of cases (to then provide the support these kids need) but I think there is also a certain amount of readiness to label. I understand - you'll know far better than I (my wife's a TA who deals with a lot of 'challenging' kids and she explained it to me once, but I wasn't really listening!) that it's beneficial to the schools to have special needs kids either in terms of Ofsted grades or funding. I'm fairly certain at least some of the kids I went to school with had genuine issues, and were largely failed by the education system through lack of diagnosis and help, however, I'm also sure there are a lot of parents and schools who would rather their kid had SEN than was just deemed to be a little sh!te.
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Crowborough 26 Feb 15 9.19am

Quote nickgusset at 26 Feb 2015 9.02am

Quote npn at 26 Feb 2015 8.47am

Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 11.22pm

Quote johnfirewall at 25 Feb 2015 10.26pm

Google the author of the paper cited in that article. Got an unrelated PHD and previously tried to attribute autism to vaccines.

Also you could've plotted Palace's league position on those graphs and that would've been as relevant.

Edited by johnfirewall (25 Feb 2015 10.29pm)

I suspect the majority of that is just the labelling which is more common nowadays.

I never went to school (40 odd years ago) with any autistic kids or kids with ADHD, but certainly had "weird kids" and "naughty kids" in my classes.

Labelling or diagnosis?

Some from column A, some from column B.
I actually think it's a good thing in the vast majority of cases (to then provide the support these kids need) but I think there is also a certain amount of readiness to label.

I understand - you'll know far better than I (my wife's a TA who deals with a lot of 'challenging' kids and she explained it to me once, but I wasn't really listening!) that it's beneficial to the schools to have special needs kids either in terms of Ofsted grades or funding.

I'm fairly certain at least some of the kids I went to school with had genuine issues, and were largely failed by the education system through lack of diagnosis and help, however, I'm also sure there are a lot of parents and schools who would rather their kid had SEN than was just deemed to be a little sh!te.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 26 Feb 15 9.23am
Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Feb 2015 12.17am It's amazing how many poor or incapable parents are willing to offload their responsibility for rearing poorly disciplined and rude children on a label. These conditions do exist but having taught a fair number of children down the years I've seen how abused the whole labeling system is. No one is reasonable for anything anymore.....It's yea label that did it. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2015 12.19am) I agree. There are plenty of things that Monsanto may be guilty of but giving children autism isn't one. It looks to me that the prof has staked her career on trying to provide evidence for a class action. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 26 Feb 15 9.23am

Quote Stirlingsays at 26 Feb 2015 12.17am

It's amazing how many poor or incapable parents are willing to offload their responsibility for rearing poorly disciplined and rude children on a label.

These conditions do exist but having taught a fair number of children down the years I've seen how abused the whole labeling system is.

No one is reasonable for anything anymore.....It's yea label that did it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Feb 2015 12.19am)

I agree.

There are plenty of things that Monsanto may be guilty of but giving children autism isn't one.

It looks to me that the prof has staked her career on trying to provide evidence for a class action.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Lyons550 Shirley 26 Feb 15 10.03am
Personally I think the rise is largely due to Health Professionals fearing missing something and having it bite them in the arse later on. It's simply easier to place a label on something and subsequently say "I told you so" then to disregard the signs and then be hauled through disciplinary proceedings or litigation as a result. Consequently we then find ourselves in a vicious circle where lazy cunds rely on their perceived issues to the detriment of those that actually have the condition; bleeding us all dry in the process. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 26 Feb 15 10.03am

Personally I think the rise is largely due to Health Professionals fearing missing something and having it bite them in the arse later on.

It's simply easier to place a label on something and subsequently say "I told you so" then to disregard the signs and then be hauled through disciplinary proceedings or litigation as a result.

Consequently we then find ourselves in a vicious circle where lazy cunds rely on their perceived issues to the detriment of those that actually have the condition; bleeding us all dry in the process.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 15 10.28am
My missus has been studying children with 'issues'. New research is linked to attachment theory. If kids don't have a close bond with a parent or other adult in very early life, this can lead to disruptive behaviours as they grow up.
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Shizzlehurst 26 Feb 15 10.28am

My missus has been studying children with 'issues'. New research is linked to attachment theory. If kids don't have a close bond with a parent or other adult in very early life, this can lead to disruptive behaviours as they grow up.

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