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minted 26 Aug 15 7.22pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?) There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two. I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.
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Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm

I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?)

There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two.

I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.

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samprior Hamburg 26 Aug 15 8.05pm
Quote minted at 26 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?) There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two. I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid. Interesting. All i've seen is his highlights reel, where obviously he looks like a world beater (albeit more attacking highlights than defensive) but I did wonder why no one else has shown any concrete interest other than Southampton. I saw a quote today stating he was one of Europes top defenders, which seems odd when there's been top teams looking for a CB all offseason but haven't even sniffed round him.
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Hamburg 26 Aug 15 8.05pm

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Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm

I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?)

There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two.

I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.

Interesting.

All i've seen is his highlights reel, where obviously he looks like a world beater (albeit more attacking highlights than defensive) but I did wonder why no one else has shown any concrete interest other than Southampton. I saw a quote today stating he was one of Europes top defenders, which seems odd when there's been top teams looking for a CB all offseason but haven't even sniffed round him.

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Sg Bilko Deurne Holland 26 Aug 15 8.17pm
Quote minted at 26 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?) There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two. I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid. I second that, he is well down the pecking order for the Dutch national side with the likes of Martins Indi, Stefan de Vrij, Jeffrey Bruma, Joël Veltman, Paul Verhaegh, and Terence Kongolo, well ahead of Virgil Van Dijk, whose played 4 times for Jong Oranij and has not been able to make that step up to the next level.
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Sg Bilko

Deurne Holland 26 Aug 15 8.17pm

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Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm

I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?)

There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two.

I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.

I second that, he is well down the pecking order for the Dutch national side with the likes of Martins Indi, Stefan de Vrij, Jeffrey Bruma, Joël Veltman, Paul Verhaegh, and Terence Kongolo, well ahead of Virgil Van Dijk, whose played 4 times for Jong Oranij and has not been able to make that step up to the next level.

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NickinOX Sailing country. 26 Aug 15 8.46pm
We only seem to be linked to him because of some previous pretty vague rumours. People only seem to want him because we've previously been linked. It's strange. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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NickinOX

Sailing country. 26 Aug 15 8.46pm

We only seem to be linked to him because of some previous pretty vague rumours. People only seem to want him because we've previously been linked. It's strange.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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dougster 27 Aug 15 1.40pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 26 Aug 2015 8.17pm Quote minted at 26 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?) There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two. I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid. I second that, he is well down the pecking order for the Dutch national side with the likes of Martins Indi, Stefan de Vrij, Jeffrey Bruma, Joël Veltman, Paul Verhaegh, and Terence Kongolo, well ahead of Virgil Van Dijk, whose played 4 times for Jong Oranij and has not been able to make that step up to the next level. I have watched a good number of Celtic games over past couple of years and I'd have to disagree. If Stones is worth £35M+ - he is a bargain for £11M. A Dann & Van Dijk partnership would be immense.
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dougster

27 Aug 15 1.40pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 26 Aug 2015 8.17pm

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Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm

I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?)

There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two.

I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.

I have watched a good number of Celtic games over past couple of years and I'd have to disagree.

If Stones is worth £35M+ - he is a bargain for £11M.

A Dann & Van Dijk partnership would be immense.

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cooleagle89 Montrose 27 Aug 15 1.57pm
I am with you on that Quote dougster at 27 Aug 2015 1.40pm Quote Sg Bilko at 26 Aug 2015 8.17pm Quote minted at 26 Aug 2015 7.22pm Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?) There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two. I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid. I second that, he is well down the pecking order for the Dutch national side with the likes of Martins Indi, Stefan de Vrij, Jeffrey Bruma, Joël Veltman, Paul Verhaegh, and Terence Kongolo, well ahead of Virgil Van Dijk, whose played 4 times for Jong Oranij and has not been able to make that step up to the next level. I have watched a good number of Celtic games over past couple of years and I'd have to disagree. If Stones is worth £35M+ - he is a bargain for £11M. A Dann & Van Dijk partnership would be immense.
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cooleagle89

Montrose 27 Aug 15 1.57pm

I am with you on that

Quote dougster at 27 Aug 2015 1.40pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 26 Aug 2015 8.17pm

Quote minted at 26 Aug 2015 7.22pm

Quote sydtheeagle at 26 Aug 2015 1.47pm

I think with Van Dijk the only question now is where he goes, and what's the knock-on effect for the club that buys him (i.e. if he joins Southampton, does Fonte leave?)

There are plenty of serviceable, Premier League experienced full backs who could be had. Lescott and Evans to name but two.

I've seen this guy a lot. Take it from me, he aint that good. Avoid.

I have watched a good number of Celtic games over past couple of years and I'd have to disagree.

If Stones is worth £35M+ - he is a bargain for £11M.

A Dann & Van Dijk partnership would be immense.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 2.31pm
you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.
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Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

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europalace Europe 27 Aug 15 8.18pm
Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"
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Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 8.57pm
Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here.
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Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here.

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deflemonkid 27 Aug 15 9.41pm
Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)
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27 Aug 15 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton.

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 9.54pm
Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ .
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Deal or Croydon 27 Aug 15 9.54pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ .

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deflemonkid 27 Aug 15 10.11pm
Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top. Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good" Over 10 years ago, and he wasnt great when he first came down. Are you seriously saying that the sot prem is a good standard? Imho most of their prem teams would struggle against top half champ teams down here. Average players may look great against poor opposition but you're neglecting the fact that great players can also make the step up from a lower standard of competition. Just look at where the players in our own squad that were part of the promotion side came from and still dont look out of place in the PL, and lest we forget Punch came all the way up form league one with Southampton. Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm) Over a period of time they can improve but it is a big step up to the prem to be consistantly good. Look at other threads on here to see the difference of opinion over Gayle. It takes time and personally i dont think virgil is that great. I also pointed out that our championship is probably a higher standard than the scot prem so therefore the step up to our premier league is not so great. How many players have come down from the spl in recent years and had an effect? Its a bigger step up in class than from the champ . joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL.
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27 Aug 15 10.11pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 9.54pm

Quote deflemonkid at 27 Aug 2015 9.41pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 8.57pm

Quote europalace at 27 Aug 2015 8.18pm

Quote sickboy at 27 Aug 2015 2.31pm

you have to factor in the standard of league he is playing in as well. ie scot prem = not very good so average players look tip top.

Isn't that where Speroni came from? By your conclusion he's "not very good"

Edited by deflemonkid (27 Aug 2015 9.41pm)

joe ledley didnt seem to have a problem. James Macarthur went from Hamilton to wigan when he first moved to England and didnt do to bad. Steven fletcher and charlie adam are another couple that made the step up. I dont think the level of competition you play against is going to be the defining factor to whether or not Pardew or any of the scouts/coaches think a play can cut it in the PL.

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