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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 15 10.38pm
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.26pm Quote serial thriller at 13 Mar 2015 10.22pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.19pm I hate the EDL Bit too liberal and PC for you? they are drunken/drugged up muppets who have no idea what they're protesting about. Personally I have no issue with Islam, I work with many muslims and they are all nice people. Do you disagree with my comment that countries do better under white rule, do you disagree with my comment that South Africa has suffered since Mandela took over? If so please provide fact rather than bulls*** hysteria ta in advance Mandela has been lionised a bit too much for my liking. But I will say this.....'White rule' in South Africa was wrong ethically regardless of any other argument. The idea that a minority elite with money could suppress a poor majority was an untenable one. South Africa is a country that is now far more at peace with itself and it is the second biggest economy in Africa. That's a positive. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2015 10.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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I hate the EDL

Bit too liberal and PC for you?

they are drunken/drugged up muppets who have no idea what they're protesting about.

Personally I have no issue with Islam, I work with many muslims and they are all nice people.

Do you disagree with my comment that countries do better under white rule, do you disagree with my comment that South Africa has suffered since Mandela took over?
If so please provide fact rather than bulls*** hysteria

ta in advance

Mandela has been lionised a bit too much for my liking. But I will say this.....'White rule' in South Africa was wrong ethically regardless of any other argument.

The idea that a minority elite with money could suppress a poor majority was an untenable one.

South Africa is a country that is now far more at peace with itself and it is the second biggest economy in Africa.

That's a positive.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Mar 2015 10.39pm)

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MileFan 13 Mar 15 10.39pm
Quote nickgusset at 13 Mar 2015 10.33pm [Link] African countries are losing up to 12.7% of their national GDP due to shady practices in international trade. Global Financial Integrity, a Washington DC-based think-tank, reports that 2bn (�321bn) worth of capital was lost from Africa in illicit capital flows and estimates that almost 80% of this coming through "trade misinvoicing". Misinvoicing is where companies and individuals involved in trade deliberately alter the prices of their exports or imports in order to move money in or out of a country. It can be used to avoid being charged import duties, or to shift taxable income out of a country, into a jurisdiction with a lower tax rate. The report, entitled Hiding In Plain Sight, examined trade flows into and out of Ghana, Kenya, Mozambique, Tanzania and Uganda between 2002 and 2011. Uganda lost 12.7% of its national revenue over the 10-year period, the highest of the five countries. GFI cautioned that its methodology is very conservative and "that there are likely to be more illicit flows into and out of these countries that are not captured by the models". Old article but still relevant. Good old ChunkyMark has a good take on it too. [Link] (very sweary) 12.7% so what it's still hundreds of millions that we're giving to them
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African countries are losing up to 12.7% of their national GDP due to shady practices in international trade.

Global Financial Integrity, a Washington DC-based think-tank, reports that 2bn (�321bn) worth of capital was lost from Africa in illicit capital flows and estimates that almost 80% of this coming through "trade misinvoicing".

Misinvoicing is where companies and individuals involved in trade deliberately alter the prices of their exports or imports in order to move money in or out of a country. It can be used to avoid being charged import duties, or to shift taxable income out of a country, into a jurisdiction with a lower tax rate.

The report, entitled Hiding In Plain Sight, examined trade flows into and out of Ghana, Kenya, Mozambique, Tanzania and Uganda between 2002 and 2011. Uganda lost 12.7% of its national revenue over the 10-year period, the highest of the five countries.

GFI cautioned that its methodology is very conservative and "that there are likely to be more illicit flows into and out of these countries that are not captured by the models".

Old article but still relevant.

Good old ChunkyMark has a good take on it too.

[Link]

(very sweary)

12.7% so what it's still hundreds of millions that we're giving to them

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Stirlingsays 13 Mar 15 10.42pm
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.29pm We've given Africa hundreds of millions. In reality nothing has changed - why? Africa is a continent. It would cost many years of hundreds of billions to turn around Africa. We give a little to encourage trade and to help feed those in most need. Humanity is why. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.29pm

We've given Africa hundreds of millions. In reality nothing has changed - why?

Africa is a continent.

It would cost many years of hundreds of billions to turn around Africa.

We give a little to encourage trade and to help feed those in most need.

Humanity is why.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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serial thriller The Promised Land 13 Mar 15 10.44pm
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.26pm Quote serial thriller at 13 Mar 2015 10.22pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.19pm I hate the EDL Bit too liberal and PC for you? they are drunken/drugged up muppets who have no idea what they're protesting about. Personally I have no issue with Islam, I work with many muslims and they are all nice people. Do you disagree with my comment that countries do better under white rule, do you disagree with my comment that South Africa has suffered since Mandela took over? If so please provide fact rather than bulls*** hysteria ta in advance Firstly, I'm going to call you out as an internet troll, not worthy of my time or effort. Secondly, I'm going to hypothetically argue with you as if you weren't an internet troll, and were in fact, a racist bigot. Black people have ruled nations for thousands of years. You could go back to the Egyptian pharoahs, or the Roman emperor Septimus Severus, right up to Obama in America. Now their success can only be judged based on what you consider success. You seem to regard low crime rates and high economic prosperity as pivotal to that. If you want economic prosperity, you can look at the immense wealth of the Moghuls of India, who controlled thousands of miles of land and produced some of the most lavish displays of wealth humanity has ever seen (the Taj Mahal, for example). Granted, they aren't black, but hypothetically speaking I'm imagining your racism isn't particularly choosy. More contemporary examples may be somewhere like Nigeria, where economic growth is continuing faster than almost any other nations on the planet. Both examples are, in my eyes, pretty crap, given the extreme inequality of wealth in both cases, but that isn't something I hypothetically imagine concerns you. As for crime, maybe we should remember the extremity of the crime 'white people' committed in occupying these nations. Were the Geneva Convention around in the 19th century, Britain would've been absolutely ruined. Mass murder, total racial prejudice, little or no representation of minorities, genocide, slavery etc etc etc. I'm not here to justify the mess South Africa finds itself in now, in fact I think that the totalitarian stranglehold the ANC have over politics there is almost imperial. But what sort of bizarre blinkered world would we live in if we thought things were better under an apartheid regime? The economy was incredibly low-wage, the boycott left growth totally non-existent...oh, and black people were killed daily. That's what I'd probably say, hypothetically speaking. But you're a troll, so obviously I won't bother actually saying it. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.19pm

I hate the EDL

Bit too liberal and PC for you?

they are drunken/drugged up muppets who have no idea what they're protesting about.

Personally I have no issue with Islam, I work with many muslims and they are all nice people.

ta in advance

Firstly, I'm going to call you out as an internet troll, not worthy of my time or effort.

Secondly, I'm going to hypothetically argue with you as if you weren't an internet troll, and were in fact, a racist bigot.

Black people have ruled nations for thousands of years. You could go back to the Egyptian pharoahs, or the Roman emperor Septimus Severus, right up to Obama in America.

Now their success can only be judged based on what you consider success. You seem to regard low crime rates and high economic prosperity as pivotal to that. If you want economic prosperity, you can look at the immense wealth of the Moghuls of India, who controlled thousands of miles of land and produced some of the most lavish displays of wealth humanity has ever seen (the Taj Mahal, for example). Granted, they aren't black, but hypothetically speaking I'm imagining your racism isn't particularly choosy. More contemporary examples may be somewhere like Nigeria, where economic growth is continuing faster than almost any other nations on the planet. Both examples are, in my eyes, pretty crap, given the extreme inequality of wealth in both cases, but that isn't something I hypothetically imagine concerns you.

As for crime, maybe we should remember the extremity of the crime 'white people' committed in occupying these nations. Were the Geneva Convention around in the 19th century, Britain would've been absolutely ruined. Mass murder, total racial prejudice, little or no representation of minorities, genocide, slavery etc etc etc. I'm not here to justify the mess South Africa finds itself in now, in fact I think that the totalitarian stranglehold the ANC have over politics there is almost imperial. But what sort of bizarre blinkered world would we live in if we thought things were better under an apartheid regime? The economy was incredibly low-wage, the boycott left growth totally non-existent...oh, and black people were killed daily.

That's what I'd probably say, hypothetically speaking. But you're a troll, so obviously I won't bother actually saying it.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Mr Palaceman 14 Mar 15 2.54am
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 9.55pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 9.05pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.54pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 8.41pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.35pm People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about. its annoying because we have people suffering right here in the UK and we send millions to be pissed up the wall in Africa It's called humanity,they help people here and elsewhere around the world.our local children's hospice benefits from iit as well as people in Africa to piss up the wall. 30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother? I'm no egalitarian but I do believe it's the right principle for comparatively wealthy humanity to extend help where it can to those born into 'hellholes'. In real terms we give very little. We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity. if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always fck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc. LOL, I think with you in charge there would be a mob outside the govenors house and there would be a new leader before sundown. No one would f@ck that up. But at least in your asking people to call you a racist, your future posts can be assessed in the manner that they deserve. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"* Stan Laurel
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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 9.55pm

Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 9.05pm

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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 8.41pm

Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.35pm

People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about.

its annoying because we have people suffering right here in the UK and we send millions to be pissed up the wall in Africa

It's called humanity,they help people here and elsewhere around the world.our local children's hospice benefits from iit as well as people in Africa to piss up the wall.

30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother?

I'm no egalitarian but I do believe it's the right principle for comparatively wealthy humanity to extend help where it can to those born into 'hellholes'.

In real terms we give very little.

We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity.

if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always f*ck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc.

LOL, I think with you in charge there would be a mob outside the govenors house and there would be a new leader before sundown.

No one would f@ck that up.

But at least in your asking people to call you a racist, your future posts can be assessed in the manner that they deserve.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Mr Palaceman 14 Mar 15 5.43am
Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 9.55pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 9.05pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.54pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 8.41pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.35pm People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about. its annoying because we have people suffering right here in the UK and we send millions to be pissed up the wall in Africa It's called humanity,they help people here and elsewhere around the world.our local children's hospice benefits from iit as well as people in Africa to piss up the wall. 30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother? I'm no egalitarian but I do believe it's the right principle for comparatively wealthy humanity to extend help where it can to those born into 'hellholes'. In real terms we give very little. We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity. if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always fck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc. Sorry but I had to reply to this post again, as I think for myself and many others on here, your post may just be the gift that keeps on giving and should be a possible contender for the Gold section of this forum. The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive. You haven't called anyone any names but what you are saying is essenstailly that if black people always "f@ck everything up" then really, it would make sense to you that black people should have no right to self determination. Black people should not vote or hold postitons of power, as "blacks always f@ck everything up". It should be left to white people and black people should "bend over" and take what is given to them, by I assume, people like yourself.. I wonder how your comments would sit with say, Bolasie or Zaha knowing that you sit in the stands or even Mark Wright, Salako or maybe Puncheon (who apparently doesn't like to talk to people while he is eating). I could mention Obama, Martin Luther King, Oprah, Denzil Washington, Muhammed Ali, Bob Marley, Kofi Annan, Pele, Maya Angelou, all from very different walks of life who according to you would just "f@ck everything up". Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world. You point to the South African economy, do you not understand that people do not love the memory of that man the world over because of his economic skill, they love him because of his unselfish stand for the principle of his peoples right to decide their own future. If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today. They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article. Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history. Who else of his type could really be held up in history along with him (love him or hate him). Martin Luther King, Ghandi and I'm only talking from a historical view as opposed to a personal view about the man. The reason I mention these three is that they all changed their countries and the worlds culture and enviroment beyond measure but according to you would just "f@ck everything up" and in truth, maybe they did for people with your views. I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white. I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged. Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am) "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"* Stan Laurel
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14 Mar 15 5.43am

Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm

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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 9.05pm

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Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 8.41pm

Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.35pm

People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about.

its annoying because we have people suffering right here in the UK and we send millions to be pissed up the wall in Africa

It's called humanity,they help people here and elsewhere around the world.our local children's hospice benefits from iit as well as people in Africa to piss up the wall.

30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother?

I'm no egalitarian but I do believe it's the right principle for comparatively wealthy humanity to extend help where it can to those born into 'hellholes'.

In real terms we give very little.

We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity.

Sorry but I had to reply to this post again, as I think for myself and many others on here, your post may just be the gift that keeps on giving and should be a possible contender for the Gold section of this forum.

The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive.

You haven't called anyone any names but what you are saying is essenstailly that if black people always "f@ck everything up" then really, it would make sense to you that black people should have no right to self determination. Black people should not vote or hold postitons of power, as "blacks always f@ck everything up". It should be left to white people and black people should "bend over" and take what is given to them, by I assume, people like yourself..

I wonder how your comments would sit with say, Bolasie or Zaha knowing that you sit in the stands or even Mark Wright, Salako or maybe Puncheon (who apparently doesn't like to talk to people while he is eating).

I could mention Obama, Martin Luther King, Oprah, Denzil Washington, Muhammed Ali, Bob Marley, Kofi Annan, Pele, Maya Angelou, all from very different walks of life who according to you would just "f@ck everything up".

Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world.

You point to the South African economy, do you not understand that people do not love the memory of that man the world over because of his economic skill, they love him because of his unselfish stand for the principle of his peoples right to decide their own future.

If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today.

They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article.

Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history.

Who else of his type could really be held up in history along with him (love him or hate him). Martin Luther King, Ghandi and I'm only talking from a historical view as opposed to a personal view about the man.

The reason I mention these three is that they all changed their countries and the worlds culture and enviroment beyond measure but according to you would just "f@ck everything up" and in truth, maybe they did for people with your views.

I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white.

I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged.

Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am)

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Harry Beever Newbury 14 Mar 15 7.26am
Quote Jimenez at 13 Mar 2015 10.07pm Its the "Your a c* if you don't give to Comic relief" mantra I hate. w*ers dressed up as St Trinians girls going around local boozers with buckets and If you don't drop some money your instantly vilified as being heartless and tight fisted. I give to two charities & two charities only, The Salvation Army & Cancer Relief. Would second this. Hate checking out in a shop with a long queue behind me and being asked "would I like to give a pound to Comic Relief?" Leave a donation bucket in clear view by all means but don't like harassment/guilt trip charity approach however effective it may be. If the shop is that concerned they're welcome to give an extra pound of profit from what I've bought to the charity.
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Quote Jimenez at 13 Mar 2015 10.07pm

Its the "Your a c*** if you don't give to Comic relief" mantra I hate. w***ers dressed up as St Trinians girls going around local boozers with buckets and If you don't drop some money your instantly vilified as being heartless and tight fisted.
I give to two charities & two charities only, The Salvation Army & Cancer Relief.

Would second this. Hate checking out in a shop with a long queue behind me and being asked "would I like to give a pound to Comic Relief?" Leave a donation bucket in clear view by all means but don't like harassment/guilt trip charity approach however effective it may be. If the shop is that concerned they're welcome to give an extra pound of profit from what I've bought to the charity.

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Stirlingsays 14 Mar 15 8.50am
Quote Mr Palaceman at 14 Mar 2015 5.43am Sorry but I had to reply to this post again, as I think for myself and many others on here, your post may just be the gift that keeps on giving and should be a possible contender for the Gold section of this forum. The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive. You haven't called anyone any names but what you are saying is essenstailly that if black people always "f@ck everything up" then really, it would make sense to you that black people should have no right to self determination. Black people should not vote or hold postitons of power, as "blacks always f@ck everything up". It should be left to white people and black people should "bend over" and take what is given to them, by I assume, people like yourself.. I wonder how your comments would sit with say, Bolasie or Zaha knowing that you sit in the stands or even Mark Wright, Salako or maybe Puncheon (who apparently doesn't like to talk to people while he is eating). I could mention Obama, Martin Luther King, Oprah, Denzil Washington, Muhammed Ali, Bob Marley, Kofi Annan, Pele, Maya Angelou, all from very different walks of life who according to you would just "f@ck everything up". Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world. You point to the South African economy, do you not understand that people do not love the memory of that man the world over because of his economic skill, they love him because of his unselfish stand for the principle of his peoples right to decide their own future. If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today. They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article. Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history. Who else of his type could really be held up in history along with him (love him or hate him). Martin Luther King, Ghandi and I'm only talking from a historical view as opposed to a personal view about the man. The reason I mention these three is that they all changed their countries and the worlds culture and enviroment beyond measure but according to you would just "f@ck everything up" and in truth, maybe they did for people with your views. I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white. I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged. Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am) Good post. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

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Quote Mr Palaceman at 14 Mar 2015 5.43am

The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive.

Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world.

If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today.

They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article.

Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history.

I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white.

I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged.

Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am)

Good post.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 15 10.40am
You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe. When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system. Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt). It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence.....
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Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 15 10.40am

You just have to look at places like Zimbabwe.

When it was colonial Rhodesia it prospered by exporting copper and had a great railway system.

Now the railway is fcuked both financially and physically and only survives on handouts from China (in return for the major slice of the copper no doubt).

It may have been un PC by the poster to suggest "blacks" always fcuk up... but the state of Africa kind of backs this statement up unfortunately... corruption, greed, incompetence.....

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MileFan 14 Mar 15 11.05am
Quote Mr Palaceman at 14 Mar 2015 5.43am Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 10.01pm Quote Stirlingsays at 13 Mar 2015 9.55pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 9.05pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.54pm Quote MileFan at 13 Mar 2015 8.41pm Quote lloydy at 13 Mar 2015 8.35pm People trying to help,others,what a strange thing to get that annoyed about. its annoying because we have people suffering right here in the UK and we send millions to be pissed up the wall in Africa It's called humanity,they help people here and elsewhere around the world.our local children's hospice benefits from iit as well as people in Africa to piss up the wall. 30 years ago africa was a hellhole now its still a hellhole, why do we bother? I'm no egalitarian but I do believe it's the right principle for comparatively wealthy humanity to extend help where it can to those born into 'hellholes'. In real terms we give very little. We spend far far more on our own underclass....And so we should.....But it's wrong to say we shouldn't help fellow countries.....That's just humanity. if they want real help bend over and let whites rule, call me racist but blacks always fck it up. You just have to look at South Africa. Mandela hailed a hero but since he took ovr crime up economy down etc etc. Sorry but I had to reply to this post again, as I think for myself and many others on here, your post may just be the gift that keeps on giving and should be a possible contender for the Gold section of this forum. The funny thing is that I don't think that you are actually being abusive with this post. Ignorant maybe but not abusive. You haven't called anyone any names but what you are saying is essenstailly that if black people always "f@ck everything up" then really, it would make sense to you that black people should have no right to self determination. Black people should not vote or hold postitons of power, as "blacks always f@ck everything up". It should be left to white people and black people should "bend over" and take what is given to them, by I assume, people like yourself.. I wonder how your comments would sit with say, Bolasie or Zaha knowing that you sit in the stands or even Mark Wright, Salako or maybe Puncheon (who apparently doesn't like to talk to people while he is eating). I could mention Obama, Martin Luther King, Oprah, Denzil Washington, Muhammed Ali, Bob Marley, Kofi Annan, Pele, Maya Angelou, all from very different walks of life who according to you would just "f@ck everything up". Then you mention Nelson Mandela (and I wasn't a huge fan myself) but someone who undoubtly has inspired millions of people in his home and around the world. You point to the South African economy, do you not understand that people do not love the memory of that man the world over because of his economic skill, they love him because of his unselfish stand for the principle of his peoples right to decide their own future. If you put Mandela next to Cameron, Miliband, Klegg or Farage, they would all just blend into the shadows of nothingness compared to him. Such is the state of our politians today. They will all be long forgotten in just a few decades, remembered only as a list of names, buried in a Wiki article. Only Thatcher, (and again I am no fan) in our recent history will get a mention just because she was such a divisive figure in our history and even then only in our history. Who else of his type could really be held up in history along with him (love him or hate him). Martin Luther King, Ghandi and I'm only talking from a historical view as opposed to a personal view about the man. The reason I mention these three is that they all changed their countries and the worlds culture and enviroment beyond measure but according to you would just "f@ck everything up" and in truth, maybe they did for people with your views. I for one am glad they did, I thank them and I'm sure that for a long, long time to come, many others will also. Black and white. I hope you don't get red carded, because although I think your views, IMO, are silly, absurd, ignorant, I could go on, at least your views are known and can be challenged. Edited by Mr Palaceman (14 Mar 2015 5.46am) of course you can quote individual examples but as a society as a whole blacks tend to fck it up, I 100% stand by that comment.
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14 Mar 15 11.05am