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derben 12 May 15 4.26pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.24pm Quote derben at 12 May 2015 11.37am Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 9.31am Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.29am Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 May 2015 10.42pm Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.37pm Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.31pm Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.22pm Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.21pm The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite. I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years. The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why? Could it be something to do with Scottish Nationalism? Perhaps they should rename themselves National Socialist? Edited by derben (11 May 2015 4.23pm) Interestingly the SNP have been right and left wing in their time. The question of Scottish devolution didn't form part of their manifesto. Many who voted no in the referendum voted SNP. You are seriously implying that the SNP does not want independence for Scotland? That other National Socialist party didn't have "we intend to invade Poland at the first opportunity" in their 1933 manifesto either. GODWIN. The Saxon Earl of Wessex? Godwin's law [Link] I like the link - very true I think. In my case, as the SNP are both socialist and nationalist in outlook, calling them National Socialist was an attempt (a weak one I know) at a joke. I of course accept that the SNP are not Nazis in any way. Nazis were anti-smoking, vegetarian promoting, teetotaler pushing outdoors types that believed in social unity through the national self. Can't see that going down well North of the Border, where the hobbies are smack, domestic violence, buckfast, deep fried meat (anything) and drinking till your liver gives out, whilst fighting with your neighbours about which religious sectarianist football team you support. You make some very good points here Jamie! Although I didn't realise Paul Gascoigne was Scottish. Edited by derben (12 May 2015 4.43pm)
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12 May 15 4.26pm

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The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite.

I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years.

The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why?

Could it be something to do with Scottish Nationalism? Perhaps they should rename themselves National Socialist?

Edited by derben (11 May 2015 4.23pm)

Interestingly the SNP have been right and left wing in their time.

The question of Scottish devolution didn't form part of their manifesto.

Many who voted no in the referendum voted SNP.

You are seriously implying that the SNP does not want independence for Scotland? That other National Socialist party didn't have "we intend to invade Poland at the first opportunity" in their 1933 manifesto either.

GODWIN.

The Saxon Earl of Wessex?

Godwin's law [Link]

I like the link - very true I think.
In my case, as the SNP are both socialist and nationalist in outlook, calling them National Socialist was an attempt (a weak one I know) at a joke. I of course accept that the SNP are not Nazis in any way.

Nazis were anti-smoking, vegetarian promoting, teetotaler pushing outdoors types that believed in social unity through the national self.

Can't see that going down well North of the Border, where the hobbies are smack, domestic violence, buckfast, deep fried meat (anything) and drinking till your liver gives out, whilst fighting with your neighbours about which religious sectarianist football team you support.

You make some very good points here Jamie!

Although I didn't realise Paul Gascoigne was Scottish.

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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.27pm
Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland.
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12 May 15 4.27pm

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Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron.

I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!.

This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland.

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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.28pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.24pm Quote derben at 12 May 2015 11.37am Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 9.31am Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.29am Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 May 2015 10.42pm Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.37pm Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.31pm Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.22pm Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.21pm The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite. I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years. The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why? Could it be something to do with Scottish Nationalism? Perhaps they should rename themselves National Socialist? Edited by derben (11 May 2015 4.23pm) Interestingly the SNP have been right and left wing in their time. The question of Scottish devolution didn't form part of their manifesto. Many who voted no in the referendum voted SNP. You are seriously implying that the SNP does not want independence for Scotland? That other National Socialist party didn't have "we intend to invade Poland at the first opportunity" in their 1933 manifesto either. GODWIN. The Saxon Earl of Wessex? Godwin's law [Link] I like the link - very true I think. In my case, as the SNP are both socialist and nationalist in outlook, calling them National Socialist was an attempt (a weak one I know) at a joke. I of course accept that the SNP are not Nazis in any way. Nazis were anti-smoking, vegetarian promoting, teetotaler pushing outdoors types that believed in social unity through the national self. Can't see that going down well North of the Border, where the hobbies are smack, domestic violence, buckfast, deep fried meat (anything) and drinking till your liver gives out, whilst fighting with your neighbours about which religious sectarianist football team you support. This might apply to Hitler but not to the majority of top Nazis surely?
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12 May 15 4.28pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 4.24pm

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Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.29am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 May 2015 10.42pm

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.37pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.31pm

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 4.22pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 May 2015 4.21pm

The media are saying labour need to move central to win more votes. The media would love labour to get even more Tory lite.

I'd love labour to move left. People will be (even more) sick of cuts and poverty in 5 years.

The most successful party fought an anti austerity campaign and nearly swept the boards. I wonder why?

Could it be something to do with Scottish Nationalism? Perhaps they should rename themselves National Socialist?

Edited by derben (11 May 2015 4.23pm)

Interestingly the SNP have been right and left wing in their time.

The question of Scottish devolution didn't form part of their manifesto.

Many who voted no in the referendum voted SNP.

GODWIN.

The Saxon Earl of Wessex?

Godwin's law [Link]

Nazis were anti-smoking, vegetarian promoting, teetotaler pushing outdoors types that believed in social unity through the national self.

This might apply to Hitler but not to the majority of top Nazis surely?

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derben 12 May 15 4.28pm
Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. Sturgeon is not actually a Westminster MP is she, not one of the 56? Salmon, as a Westminster MP is probably going to be as much the SNP leader as she is.
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12 May 15 4.28pm

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Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am

Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

Sturgeon is not actually a Westminster MP is she, not one of the 56? Salmon, as a Westminster MP is probably going to be as much the SNP leader as she is.

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 4.47pm
Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland. Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 12 May 15 4.47pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm

Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm

Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am

Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland.

Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember.

Optimistic as ever

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ghosteagle 12 May 15 4.48pm
Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.47pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland. Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember. Apologies. Replace with A.Salmond.
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12 May 15 4.48pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.47pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm

Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm

Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am

Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember.

Apologies. Replace with A.Salmond.

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 4.57pm
Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.48pm Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.47pm Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. This will play right into her hands. She can present herself as a matyr in the commons who is the only person standing up to the heartless tories. Would also play into the ongoing independence argument, allowing her to argue that only independence will bring fairness for Scotland. Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember. Apologies. Replace with A.Salmond. Hopefully the rest of the house will just shout "Irn-Bru" anytime he tries to waffle on. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 12 May 15 4.57pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.48pm

Quote Stuk at 12 May 2015 4.47pm

Quote ghosteagle at 12 May 2015 4.27pm

Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm

Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am

Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

Only if they invite her. She doesn't have a seat remember.

Apologies. Replace with A.Salmond.

Hopefully the rest of the house will just shout "Irn-Bru" anytime he tries to waffle on.

Optimistic as ever

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 May 15 5.21pm
Quote derben at 12 May 2015 4.28pm Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines. This woman hates the Tories and she will prove a thorn in their sides throughout the term in office.She will have nothing positive to say about them at all and I await the stream of anti-Tory rhetoric. Can see a very frosty relationship between her and Cameron. I can see her getting shot down more than once in the coming weeks until she realises she is not so powerful down this neck of the woods as she is up there in Jockland....She will learn the hard way especially if the government give her ALL the tax rights she craves in Scotland and let her run it on her own away!!. Sturgeon is not actually a Westminster MP is she, not one of the 56? Salmon, as a Westminster MP is probably going to be as much the SNP leader as she is. I fully understand that but she will brief her own MP's to get what she wants...OR TRY!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 May 15 5.21pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 4.28pm

Quote susmik at 12 May 2015 4.22pm

Quote Willo at 12 May 2015 10.51am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 12 May 2015 10.44am

Nicola Sturgeon can bleat all she likes but she is duty bound to accept what Westminster determines.

Sturgeon is not actually a Westminster MP is she, not one of the 56? Salmon, as a Westminster MP is probably going to be as much the SNP leader as she is.

I fully understand that but she will brief her own MP's to get what she wants...OR TRY!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 7.21pm
Interesting article about the election. [Link] All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up.
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Interesting article about the election.
[Link]

All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up.

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derben 12 May 15 7.55pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm Interesting article about the election. [Link] All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up. Yet another link. We would all like to be 'anti-austerity', as if there is a choice, you know just ignore things and they will go away of their own accord. By the way did the 'anti-austerity' TUSC (or whatever their previous incarnations were called) vote go up? If it did, it must have been from a very low base as they averaged 260 votes per constituency.
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12 May 15 7.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm

Interesting article about the election.
[Link]

All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up.

Yet another link. We would all like to be 'anti-austerity', as if there is a choice, you know just ignore things and they will go away of their own accord. By the way did the 'anti-austerity' TUSC (or whatever their previous incarnations were called) vote go up? If it did, it must have been from a very low base as they averaged 260 votes per constituency.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 8.08pm
Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.55pm Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm Interesting article about the election. [Link] All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up. Yet another link. We would all like to be 'anti-austerity', as if there is a choice, you know just ignore things and they will go away of their own accord. By the way did the 'anti-austerity' TUSC (or whatever their previous incarnations were called) vote go up? If it did, it must have been from a very low base as they averaged 260 votes per constituency. Yes it did go up. It was their first election. f***ing Nora, come back when you have a brain.
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Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 8.08pm

Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm

Interesting article about the election.
[Link]

All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up.

Yes it did go up. It was their first election.
f***ing Nora, come back when you have a brain.

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derben 12 May 15 8.15pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 8.08pm Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.55pm Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm Interesting article about the election. [Link] All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up. Yet another link. We would all like to be 'anti-austerity', as if there is a choice, you know just ignore things and they will go away of their own accord. By the way did the 'anti-austerity' TUSC (or whatever their previous incarnations were called) vote go up? If it did, it must have been from a very low base as they averaged 260 votes per constituency. Yes it did go up. It was their first election. f***ing Nora, come back when you have a brain. As I said, what were their votes in their previous incarnations, ie: Socialist Party; Socialist Workers Party and Solidarity.
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12 May 15 8.15pm

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Quote derben at 12 May 2015 7.55pm

Quote nickgusset at 12 May 2015 7.21pm

Interesting article about the election.
[Link]

All those in mainstream parties that campaigned on an anti austerity ticket saw their vote % go up.

Yes it did go up. It was their first election.
f***ing Nora, come back when you have a brain.

As I said, what were their votes in their previous incarnations, ie: Socialist Party; Socialist Workers Party and Solidarity.

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