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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

 


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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

 

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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..

 


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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..


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Yes. That is who John.R.Bolton is. Seriously, come back when you have an idea what you are talking about.

 

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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..


Hahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahyahhahahahah.
Yes. That is who John.R.Bolton is. Seriously, come back when you have an idea what you are talking about.

Just WHAT are you on ?????
Who do you think he is if he is not the Gatestone organization Chairman who works with them and not on his todd?.......
You should read his book "Surrender Is Not an Option" and update yourself on him I think!

Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm)

 


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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 11.40pm
It's a reasonable argument and I accept that Catholicism has been involved in regional conflicts at various times. Hovever we are talking about the hear and now and right now the security threat to the West comes from Islamic terrorists. Now you can argue that there are other players in the terrorism game and that not all Muslims are terrorists and all those well trodden truisms but ultimately, that did not help Charlie Hebdo or the people on that bus on 7/7 or the people in the WTC on 9/11 or those people beheaded or burned in the middle East or Lee Rigby and so on.
My point is simple. It's easy to be reasonable and liberal until the bad stuff is on your doorstep or happens to someone you care about.
You are absolutely right. The Muslim community should not be blamed, persecuted or demonised in the current climate, but among their number are people who wish harm on the West and when push comes to shove my only loyalty is to my family. Their safety trumps any thoughts of worrying about the plight of Islam. I make no apology for that.


Edited by TheJudge (28 Apr 2015 11.41pm)

The irony of course is that the biggest asset to anti-terrorist services in the UK is that same community. Of course among any number of communities exist a number of threats to your family that are far more realistic threats in terms of occurrence than acts of terror (Murder itself is really uncommon, murder by terrorist action as a threat is almost non-existant).

In some ways we need to be careful that we don't fall into the fear trap, where we're creating more radicalization by our actions to prevent radicalization and terrorism. An analogue of this is peoples fear of 'pedophile abductions' meaning they leave their kids with friends and family members, who statistically are the most prevalent of child sex offenders.

In the pursuit of security and safety, its vital to ensure that the actions we take do not create greater problems or threats. Internment in NI served the IRA far more than it served the Government.


Oh ! It's all imaginary. Well why didn't you say so.

No one has been killed by terrorism and pedophiles don't exist.
Maybe you're not real. One can hope...

Edited by TheJudge (30 Apr 2015 9.48pm)

 

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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 11.40pm
It's a reasonable argument and I accept that Catholicism has been involved in regional conflicts at various times. Hovever we are talking about the hear and now and right now the security threat to the West comes from Islamic terrorists. Now you can argue that there are other players in the terrorism game and that not all Muslims are terrorists and all those well trodden truisms but ultimately, that did not help Charlie Hebdo or the people on that bus on 7/7 or the people in the WTC on 9/11 or those people beheaded or burned in the middle East or Lee Rigby and so on.
My point is simple. It's easy to be reasonable and liberal until the bad stuff is on your doorstep or happens to someone you care about.
You are absolutely right. The Muslim community should not be blamed, persecuted or demonised in the current climate, but among their number are people who wish harm on the West and when push comes to shove my only loyalty is to my family. Their safety trumps any thoughts of worrying about the plight of Islam. I make no apology for that.


Edited by TheJudge (28 Apr 2015 11.41pm)

The irony of course is that the biggest asset to anti-terrorist services in the UK is that same community. Of course among any number of communities exist a number of threats to your family that are far more realistic threats in terms of occurrence than acts of terror (Murder itself is really uncommon, murder by terrorist action as a threat is almost non-existant).

In some ways we need to be careful that we don't fall into the fear trap, where we're creating more radicalization by our actions to prevent radicalization and terrorism. An analogue of this is peoples fear of 'pedophile abductions' meaning they leave their kids with friends and family members, who statistically are the most prevalent of child sex offenders.

In the pursuit of security and safety, its vital to ensure that the actions we take do not create greater problems or threats. Internment in NI served the IRA far more than it served the Government.


Oh ! it's a!ll imaginary. Well why didn't you say so.

No one has been killed by terrorism and pedophiles don't exist.
Maybe you're not real. One can hope...

He didn't say it's not real, he suggested that our response should be adequate and in proportion to the threat. Also that supposed solutions to one problem create another. We know this.


 

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legaleagle Flag 30 Apr 15 9.54pm

He made a reasoned point,worthy of a reasoned response...

 

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derben Flag 01 May 15 4.36pm

Here is an entertaining view on Islamophobia.
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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..


Hahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahyahhahahahah.
Yes. That is who John.R.Bolton is. Seriously, come back when you have an idea what you are talking about.

Just WHAT are you on ?????
Who do you think he is if he is not the Gatestone organization Chairman who works with them and not on his todd?.......
You should read his book "Surrender Is Not an Option" and update yourself on him I think!

Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm)

Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout.


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I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..


Hahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahyahhahahahah.
Yes. That is who John.R.Bolton is. Seriously, come back when you have an idea what you are talking about.

Just WHAT are you on ?????
Who do you think he is if he is not the Gatestone organization Chairman who works with them and not on his todd?.......
You should read his book "Surrender Is Not an Option" and update yourself on him I think!

Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm)

Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout.

Edited by ghosteagle (01 May 2015 4.49pm)


That's entirely up to you .....you do what you gotta do!

 


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Quote TheJudge at 28 Apr 2015 12.20pm

I see your point of view.
However, have you considered then fact that people who are prepared to believe in religious teachings and mould their lives around them might be rather easily lead ?
What happens when the West has conflicts with Muslim nations or groups like ISIS ?
We have people leaving this country to join them now, What will it be like in 2050 I wonder.


There are estimated to be c.26 million catholics and c.31 million protestants in Germany,of whom a reasonable number could be presumed to be "religious" to some degree.Based on your assertion (which you state is "fact", presumably they are no less (or more) easily led than followers of any other religion...or does your "fact" only apply to followers of Islam in your opinion?


Germany (as the UK), is very much a post Christian culture. Religion plays very little part in everyday peoples lives.


Post christian culture and the Islamization of Belgium:

[Link]

John.R.Bolton is the chairman of 'the gatestone institute. 'Nuff said.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank dedicated to educating the public about the ideals of freedom and democracy around the world and the rule of law on human rights.....So I do not get your gripe???

Obviously you have no idea who John.R.Bolton is. I suppose you will also be claiming that the institute is completely independent.....

[Link]

And NO I have not claimed it is independent as well you know..


Hahahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahyahhahahahah.
Yes. That is who John.R.Bolton is. Seriously, come back when you have an idea what you are talking about.

Just WHAT are you on ?????
Who do you think he is if he is not the Gatestone organization Chairman who works with them and not on his todd?.......
You should read his book "Surrender Is Not an Option" and update yourself on him I think!

Edited by susmik (30 Apr 2015 7.53pm)

Apologies for my hysterical response, but i found your ignorance of the man amusing. What i was inferring was that the man is a far right-wing neo-con politician with no regard for human life. I therefore will not be reading his book or listening to anything he or his organisation care to spout.


Edited by ghosteagle (01 May 2015 4.49pm)


Sounds like they have something in common with ISIL according to you. Exactly how many people have they murdered recently ?

 

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