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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 06 Apr 15 1.01pm

Quote Kermit8 at 05 Apr 2015 9.00pm

Quote pefwin at 05 Apr 2015 5.14pm

Kermit8,

I hope you sought Kersal's permission to re-produce his post.

Regards,


No, but your genuine concern is warming.

It was in Palace Talk originally.

If ever I need to click on the 'quote' button to reproduce one of your posts I will make sure to pm you first.

Edited by Kermit8 (05 Apr 2015 9.05pm)


Not at all for me, but this one seemed very heartfelt, but I see Kersal has posted on the thread.

 


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I went into some Immigrant Detention Centres this week, Prison Ministry. Putting aside anyones feelings about the 'religious' aspect of why I was there, what I found was quite enlightening.

Some hardened criminals, who were totally cognizant of them deserving to be booted out, but also some cases like Faisal.

Faisal was a 23 year old Algerian, came here when he was 8. Both parents long dead, he had done a series of dead end Mc Jobs, before getting into trouble with the police and going to prison.

Leaving prison he was picked up by Immigration, and was now waiting to be booted to Algeria, a country and a culture completely alien to him.

In such cases its quite usual for the 'bootee' to end up dead within 6 months.

Immigration is never 'Black and White' in my view and this just confirmed it.

What was his status while in prison then? Could he not have been returned sooner? Maybe would've stood even less of a chance in life as a teenage tearaway in Algeria but then that's not really the sort of immigration we should be encouraging.

The story is probably applicable to a decent portion of British born teenagers who we can't reform or deport either.

When we have the solution to that and a few more of our own issues we may be able to reevaluate.

And regarding his life expectancy back home, I'm assuming this is through the extreme poverty he had a chance to escape?


But its not that simple. He comes here as a kid, doesn't get citizenship, behaves most of his life, makes a mistake and then gets booted back to an alien country.

I guess I am not surprised at the lack of compassion on here at times, but it's all rather sad nonetheless.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 15 5.32pm

Quote reborn at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm

I guess I am not surprised at the lack of compassion on here at times, but it's all rather sad nonetheless.

There are cases of families being split up because either the mother or father is deported. Sadly compassion is lacking in the higher echelons of power too.

 

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Not sure how two random comments from idiots whilst living in London constitutes as a huge problem.

 


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Quote reborn at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm

Quote johnfirewall at 05 Apr 2015 11.27pm

Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2015 9.06pm

I went into some Immigrant Detention Centres this week, Prison Ministry. Putting aside anyones feelings about the 'religious' aspect of why I was there, what I found was quite enlightening.

Some hardened criminals, who were totally cognizant of them deserving to be booted out, but also some cases like Faisal.

Faisal was a 23 year old Algerian, came here when he was 8. Both parents long dead, he had done a series of dead end Mc Jobs, before getting into trouble with the police and going to prison.

Leaving prison he was picked up by Immigration, and was now waiting to be booted to Algeria, a country and a culture completely alien to him.

In such cases its quite usual for the 'bootee' to end up dead within 6 months.

Immigration is never 'Black and White' in my view and this just confirmed it.

What was his status while in prison then? Could he not have been returned sooner? Maybe would've stood even less of a chance in life as a teenage tearaway in Algeria but then that's not really the sort of immigration we should be encouraging.

The story is probably applicable to a decent portion of British born teenagers who we can't reform or deport either.

When we have the solution to that and a few more of our own issues we may be able to reevaluate.

And regarding his life expectancy back home, I'm assuming this is through the extreme poverty he had a chance to escape?


But its not that simple. He comes here as a kid, doesn't get citizenship, behaves most of his life, makes a mistake and then gets booted back to an alien country.

I guess I am not surprised at the lack of compassion on here at times, but it's all rather sad nonetheless.

Don't suppose you know what he was in for?

 

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Quote Crazy_Eagle at 06 Apr 2015 6.38pm

Not sure how two random comments from idiots whilst living in London constitutes as a huge problem.

It's not a huge problem. The nuts an bolts of this thread is 'I came here to earn money and a couple of people have mocked me'.
Why people wish to defend the apparent 'victim' baffles me but each to their own.

 

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Quote TUX at 06 Apr 2015 11.13pm

Quote Crazy_Eagle at 06 Apr 2015 6.38pm

Not sure how two random comments from idiots whilst living in London constitutes as a huge problem.

It's not a huge problem. The nuts an bolts of this thread is 'I came here to earn money and a couple of people have mocked me'.
Why people wish to defend the apparent 'victim' baffles me but each to their own.

I've had more than a couple of comments aimed at my disability in my lifetime living in London. I wouldn't call it a huge problem, or even a problem. Some random people are just idiots that's all.

 


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From what I have seen living in West Croydon the past 5 years, racism between ethnic groups is as rife if not more so- especially between African and Carribean people.

I still firmly believe the UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Apr 15 10.03am

Quote TUX at 05 Apr 2015 9.30pm

Quote reborn at 05 Apr 2015 9.06pm

I went into some Immigrant Detention Centres this week, Prison Ministry. Putting aside anyones feelings about the 'religious' aspect of why I was there, what I found was quite enlightening.

Some hardened criminals, who were totally cognizant of them deserving to be booted out, but also some cases like Faisal.

Faisal was a 23 year old Algerian, came here when he was 8. Both parents long dead, he had done a series of dead end Mc Jobs, before getting into trouble with the police and going to prison.

Leaving prison he was picked up by Immigration, and was now waiting to be booted to Algeria, a country and a culture completely alien to him.

In such cases its quite usual for the 'bootee' to end up dead within 6 months.

Immigration is never 'Black and White' in my view and this just confirmed it.

With all due respect this thread has done nothing more than show that some people need to get a grip regarding their 'immigrant status'.


Disagree entirely, he grew up here from the age of 8, as such the UK had a responsibility to him, irrespective of whether he was Algerian, because he was a child. As such, one can argue that he should be automatically considered a british citizen having spent 16 years in the UK.

He's no different than other kids who grew up here and got into trouble with the law, I don't see how it can be considered anything other than prejudical to deport him because you can, when others committing the same crime would not face such additional punishment.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Apr 15 10.11am

Quote dannyboy1978 at 05 Apr 2015 10.04pm

On an individual case like that it all sounds lovely but a government has to take the view of what's best long term to protect the infrastructure, housing and all other things that make the country tick smoothy.
Your story is typical of loads of immigrants but we are bursting!

Sorry no sympathy, my country comes first.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (05 Apr 2015 10.05pm)

Government has a responsibility to the individual as much as to the majority arguably more so, given the capacity of the majority to utilise democratic mandates to favour them (ie if your a white upper to middle class person, you don't need protective legislation as you dominate the democratic process).

The failure of governments to protect minority groups and individuals that fall 'in the cracks' stems from the desire to appeal to their electorate and relection, rather than to actually serve the interests of each and every citizen and person of the UK.

As such it generates prejudical legislation, where in someone like in Reborn's example, faces extraordinary punishment beyond that of the offence committed, which would be considered unacceptable if he had the right 'qualification' (citizenship, which arguably anyone who's spent 8 years as a child in the UK should have by default).


 


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TheJudge Flag 07 Apr 15 12.36pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 07 Apr 2015 9.48am

From what I have seen living in West Croydon the past 5 years, racism between ethnic groups is as rife if not more so- especially between African and Carribean people.

I still firmly believe the UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Correct.
The word racist when attributed to white people in Britain usually means, I blame someone else for all my problems because it's easier that improving myself.
Squabbling between ethnic groups and religions is rife all over the world. One of the big down sides of mass migration is that many of them carry it on in Britain in between moaning about Britain itself and it's foreign policy.
I do respect the OP's right come here and seek a better life as anyone of us might do in another country but you cannot expect universal good nature, or criticism of the UK to be met with smiles. I'm imagining what might happen if you criticised Jamaica on a bus in Kingston.

Edited by TheJudge (07 Apr 2015 12.39pm)

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 07 Apr 15 12.57pm

Quote TheJudge at 07 Apr 2015 12.36pm

Quote Pawson Palace at 07 Apr 2015 9.48am

From what I have seen living in West Croydon the past 5 years, racism between ethnic groups is as rife if not more so- especially between African and Carribean people.

I still firmly believe the UK is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Correct.
The word racist when attributed to white people in Britain usually means, I blame someone else for all my problems because it's easier that improving myself.
Squabbling between ethnic groups and religions is rife all over the world. One of the big down sides of mass migration is that many of them carry it on in Britain in between moaning about Britain itself and it's foreign policy.
I do respect the OP's right come here and seek a better life as anyone of us might do in another country but you cannot expect universal good nature, or criticism of the UK to be met with smiles. I'm imagining what might happen if you criticised Jamaica on a bus in Kingston.

Edited by TheJudge (07 Apr 2015 12.39pm)

Whilst its true that racism between different ethnic groups is also a problem it doesn't in anyway validate discrimination. Having experienced the prejudice between Indians and pakistani's first hand in the UK, it was quite eye opening.

Of course prejudice against the main ethnic group isn't an experience of the majority of the white british population, where as everyone I know from a non-white background has experienced racial threats and prejudice.

Indeed the only time I received any kind of 'racism' was when I was going out with an Indian girl (and I got that stick from both whites and Indian males).

 


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