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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Apr 15 12.08pm
Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 12.03pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 10.09pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 9.44pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 9.35pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 9.31pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 9.18pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 9.11pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 9.01pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 8.53pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 8.20pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 7.39pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 7.21pm Quote nickgusset at 05 Apr 2015 7.06pm Quote chris123 at 05 Apr 2015 6.01pm Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 05 Apr 2015 4.16pm Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting. Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening. This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect. Really? Do you think people do this deliberately? As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes. Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses. Well not meeting a child's basic needs is neglect - and a responsible adult, who is passive and does nothing, is complicit in my view. I can't believe you don't agree. I do agree. However if you cannot afford to is it still neglect? People are too quick to judge. I doubt you can price the cost of neglecting a child's basic needs, so of course it's neglect, people are too quick to adopt a slopey shoulder. And some people genuinely struggle to get by financially. Do you dispute this? Or do you think it's made up? You seem to think if someone is hard up, not providing for a child's basic needs might not be neglect - I cannot adequately express how much I disagree with you. The child would be neglected, but not deliberately. Seriously, people on tight budgets face stark choices. Rather than tarring parents, why not focus on the cause of the poverty. A neglected child is an abused child, there should be no other focus. So what do you propose to do then? Make conditions in which some people are too poor to feed and clothe their families, then punish them for this. How much tolerance would you provide to a child abuser? I would punish any form of neglect and not providing for a child's basic needs is neglect. Is not having the means to provide for a child also neglect? Of course it is - child benefit is �20 a week, however low your money in is, not feeding your children is neglect - I'm astonished you need this explaining to you. Deliberately not feeding your child is neglect. Many people forsake eating themselves in order for their kids to eat, however there are some people so hard up that they can't manage even that. And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise. Heating, rent, council tax, clothes, basic living essentials. How many meals could you conjure up for �20. I think that you are denying that poverty exists. Do you see it in your day to day life? [Link] Edited by nickgusset (06 Apr 2015 12.12pm)
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Sorry but that's not to do with poverty, that's s***ty parenting.

Times are tough for some people, no doubt and whilst you can argue the pros and cons of the current benefit system there's enough to stop this from happening.

This is clearly neglect, and any teacher not reporting it immediately is complicit to that neglect.

Really? Do you think people do this deliberately?
As such, teachers are required to report this sort of thing and they do. However, are you expecting children to be taken away from their families because the family have to choose between food or clothes.
Next you'll be proposing we bring back workhouses.

Well not meeting a child's basic needs is neglect - and a responsible adult, who is passive and does nothing, is complicit in my view. I can't believe you don't agree.

I do agree. However if you cannot afford to is it still neglect?
People are too quick to judge.

I doubt you can price the cost of neglecting a child's basic needs, so of course it's neglect, people are too quick to adopt a slopey shoulder.

And some people genuinely struggle to get by financially. Do you dispute this? Or do you think it's made up?

You seem to think if someone is hard up, not providing for a child's basic needs might not be neglect - I cannot adequately express how much I disagree with you.

The child would be neglected, but not deliberately. Seriously, people on tight budgets face stark choices. Rather than tarring parents, why not focus on the cause of the poverty.

A neglected child is an abused child, there should be no other focus.

So what do you propose to do then? Make conditions in which some people are too poor to feed and clothe their families, then punish them for this.

How much tolerance would you provide to a child abuser? I would punish any form of neglect and not providing for a child's basic needs is neglect.

Is not having the means to provide for a child also neglect?

Of course it is - child benefit is �20 a week, however low your money in is, not feeding your children is neglect - I'm astonished you need this explaining to you.

Deliberately not feeding your child is neglect. Many people forsake eating themselves in order for their kids to eat, however there are some people so hard up that they can't manage even that.

And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise.

Heating, rent, council tax, clothes, basic living essentials. How many meals could you conjure up for �20.
I think that you are denying that poverty exists. Do you see it in your day to day life?

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 06 Apr 15 12.39pm
[Link] [Link] Not representative of the majority maybe but you can't tell me that there's not a major problem with the benefits system and the way parents often spend the money. Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (06 Apr 2015 12.40pm) the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Not representative of the majority maybe but you can't tell me that there's not a major problem with the benefits system and the way parents often spend the money.

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the dignified don't even enter in the game

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 15 1.13pm
Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 12.03pm And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise. So the answer to a presented case is stereotyping, rather than engagement. Poverty is most certainly an issue in the UK, it would be absurd to reject that as being the fault of those in poverty. The reality is never about the minority, but the majority - when we dismiss something based on a minority its the majority that are affected. Better a few dole cheats than a generation of people in welfare suffering because we targeted them as well "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise.

So the answer to a presented case is stereotyping, rather than engagement. Poverty is most certainly an issue in the UK, it would be absurd to reject that as being the fault of those in poverty.

The reality is never about the minority, but the majority - when we dismiss something based on a minority its the majority that are affected. Better a few dole cheats than a generation of people in welfare suffering because we targeted them as well

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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chris123 hove actually 06 Apr 15 1.17pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 Apr 2015 1.13pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 12.03pm And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise. So the answer to a presented case is stereotyping, rather than engagement. Poverty is most certainly an issue in the UK, it would be absurd to reject that as being the fault of those in poverty. The reality is never about the minority, but the majority - when we dismiss something based on a minority its the majority that are affected. Better a few dole cheats than a generation of people in welfare suffering because we targeted them as well What is stereotypical about holding a view that failing to meet a child's basic needs is neglect?
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And what do these hard up people spend money on in preference to providing for their child's basic needs? Not feeding a child is neglect, deliberate or otherwise.

So the answer to a presented case is stereotyping, rather than engagement. Poverty is most certainly an issue in the UK, it would be absurd to reject that as being the fault of those in poverty.

What is stereotypical about holding a view that failing to meet a child's basic needs is neglect?

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 06 Apr 15 1.24pm
Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.
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Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm

Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

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Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

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chris123 hove actually 06 Apr 15 1.41pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.32pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?

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EricYoung'sSweatBand 06 Apr 15 1.43pm
Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.41pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.32pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are? Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?

Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers

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chris123 hove actually 06 Apr 15 1.48pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.43pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.41pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.32pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are? Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers You don't know then.
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?

Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers

You don't know then.

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Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.48pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.43pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.41pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.32pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are? Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers You don't know then. That's the most idiotic argument ever. I'm on the Internet; even if I didn't know I'M ON THE INTERNET.
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?

Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers

You don't know then.

That's the most idiotic argument ever. I'm on the Internet; even if I didn't know I'M ON THE INTERNET.

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chris123 hove actually 06 Apr 15 2.07pm
Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 2.00pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.48pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.43pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.41pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.32pm Quote chris123 at 06 Apr 2015 1.27pm Quote EricYoung'sSweatBand at 06 Apr 2015 1.24pm Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me. Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm) If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is. That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are? Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers You don't know then. That's the most idiotic argument ever. I'm on the Internet; even if I didn't know I'M ON THE INTERNET. Well I'm not asking what a website thinks, I'm asking what you think?
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Jesus Christ... So if there is a family a living month to month (or week to week) and the main bread winner falls ill or loses their job and the family run out of money, that is child abuse. f*** me.

Edited by EricYoung'sSweatBand (06 Apr 2015 1.24pm)

If they don't provide for a child's basic needs, then of course it is.

That's a reprehensible viewpoint. I sincerely hope if you have kids nothing out of blue bad happens to you, lest you be labelled an abuser

My children are all grown up, do you know what a child's basic needs are?

Well then I hope nothing happens to your kids lest they be labelled abusers

You don't know then.

That's the most idiotic argument ever. I'm on the Internet; even if I didn't know I'M ON THE INTERNET.

Well I'm not asking what a website thinks, I'm asking what you think?

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