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Kermit8 Hevon 16 Apr 15 2.01pm
Quote Stuk at 16 Apr 2015 1.47pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Apr 2015 11.06am Quote topcat at 16 Apr 2015 10.24am Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2015 8.42pm Feel pretty certain is wasn't started deliberately as the rubbish underneath the stands was well known about and a dropped fag butt seems reasonable. Also, the chairman dodgy or not didn't come across as insincere or hiding something in the aftermath. I have no idea if it was deliberate or not, or hope not, but he should have been prosecuted for manslaughter anyway. Quote Methinks someone wants to sell some sensational book. He'll be on Graham Norton next. That's a bit harsh. You're right. I'll wind my neck in. Jonathan Ross. Lost his brother, father, uncle and grandfather. Somehow I don't think he's out to make a few quid or get 5 minutes of fame. Implying that someone who 'liked a bit of insurance' was intentionally behind the fire and, thus, murdered 56 people if there is no strong circumstantial evidence at the very least is wrong - loss of family or not. Which makes me question his motives. Have to remember that the late Chairman has living family too. Edited by Kermit8 (16 Apr 2015 2.03pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 16 Apr 15 2.01pm

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Feel pretty certain is wasn't started deliberately as the rubbish underneath the stands was well known about and a dropped fag butt seems reasonable. Also, the chairman dodgy or not didn't come across as insincere or hiding something in the aftermath.

I have no idea if it was deliberate or not, or hope not, but he should have been prosecuted for manslaughter anyway.

Quote Methinks someone wants to sell some sensational book. He'll be on Graham Norton next.

That's a bit harsh.

You're right. I'll wind my neck in.

Jonathan Ross.

Lost his brother, father, uncle and grandfather.

Somehow I don't think he's out to make a few quid or get 5 minutes of fame.

Implying that someone who 'liked a bit of insurance' was intentionally behind the fire and, thus, murdered 56 people if there is no strong circumstantial evidence at the very least is wrong - loss of family or not. Which makes me question his motives. Have to remember that the late Chairman has living family too.

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Stuk Top half 16 Apr 15 3.02pm
Quote Kermit8 at 16 Apr 2015 2.01pm Quote Stuk at 16 Apr 2015 1.47pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Apr 2015 11.06am Quote topcat at 16 Apr 2015 10.24am Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2015 8.42pm Feel pretty certain is wasn't started deliberately as the rubbish underneath the stands was well known about and a dropped fag butt seems reasonable. Also, the chairman dodgy or not didn't come across as insincere or hiding something in the aftermath. I have no idea if it was deliberate or not, or hope not, but he should have been prosecuted for manslaughter anyway. Quote Methinks someone wants to sell some sensational book. He'll be on Graham Norton next. That's a bit harsh. You're right. I'll wind my neck in. Jonathan Ross. Lost his brother, father, uncle and grandfather. Somehow I don't think he's out to make a few quid or get 5 minutes of fame. Implying that someone who 'liked a bit of insurance' was intentionally behind the fire and, thus, murdered 56 people if there is no strong circumstantial evidence at the very least is wrong - loss of family or not. Which makes me question his motives. Have to remember that the late Chairman has living family too. Edited by Kermit8 (16 Apr 2015 2.03pm) "Mr Fletcher, who lost three generations of his family in the blaze, claimed to have uncovered evidence Mr Heginbotham was in dire financial trouble at the time, and has called for a fresh inquiry. He makes no direct allegation against the club's chairman in the book, which is being serialised in the Guardian, but does ask if any man could be as "unlucky" as Mr Heginbotham appeared to be." He'd like a fresh inquiry. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 16 Apr 15 3.02pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Apr 2015 2.01pm

Quote Stuk at 16 Apr 2015 1.47pm

Quote Kermit8 at 16 Apr 2015 11.06am

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Quote Kermit8 at 15 Apr 2015 8.42pm

I have no idea if it was deliberate or not, or hope not, but he should have been prosecuted for manslaughter anyway.

Quote Methinks someone wants to sell some sensational book. He'll be on Graham Norton next.

That's a bit harsh.

You're right. I'll wind my neck in.

Jonathan Ross.

Lost his brother, father, uncle and grandfather.

Somehow I don't think he's out to make a few quid or get 5 minutes of fame.

Implying that someone who 'liked a bit of insurance' was intentionally behind the fire and, thus, murdered 56 people if there is no strong circumstantial evidence at the very least is wrong - loss of family or not. Which makes me question his motives. Have to remember that the late Chairman has living family too.

Edited by Kermit8 (16 Apr 2015 2.03pm)

"Mr Fletcher, who lost three generations of his family in the blaze, claimed to have uncovered evidence Mr Heginbotham was in dire financial trouble at the time, and has called for a fresh inquiry.

He makes no direct allegation against the club's chairman in the book, which is being serialised in the Guardian, but does ask if any man could be as "unlucky" as Mr Heginbotham appeared to be."

He'd like a fresh inquiry.

Optimistic as ever

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Eunectes Aberystwyth 16 Apr 15 3.38pm
Quote Lyons550 at 16 Apr 2015 1.19pm No smoke without fire would seem an appropriate response So is "correlation does not prove causation". Whilst I'm sure that the lawyers have been all over it to make sure that there's no direct allegations in the book, the insinuation is about as severe as could be. Given that he would have known that they padlocked the gates to the stand after kick off, burning the place down whilst packed would surely equate to an act of mass murder. Not a minor charge to lay on anyones head. Ultimately, what would be the insentive to do so with a stand already earmarked for demolition, and who wants to kill off a large chunk of their customer base? Whether well-meaning or on the make (and I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt given the level of personal tragedy the guy has obviously experienced), the world's full of people flogging books based on conspiracy theories - they frequently sell well, but that doesn't mean there's any real basis in reality to them.
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Quote Lyons550 at 16 Apr 2015 1.19pm

No smoke without fire would seem an appropriate response

So is "correlation does not prove causation". Whilst I'm sure that the lawyers have been all over it to make sure that there's no direct allegations in the book, the insinuation is about as severe as could be. Given that he would have known that they padlocked the gates to the stand after kick off, burning the place down whilst packed would surely equate to an act of mass murder. Not a minor charge to lay on anyones head. Ultimately, what would be the insentive to do so with a stand already earmarked for demolition, and who wants to kill off a large chunk of their customer base? Whether well-meaning or on the make (and I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt given the level of personal tragedy the guy has obviously experienced), the world's full of people flogging books based on conspiracy theories - they frequently sell well, but that doesn't mean there's any real basis in reality to them.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 16 Apr 15 4.27pm
Quote Dan1 at 16 Apr 2015 12.28pm Not sure if they question has been asked but why set fire to the stand during a football match with the police and television cameras present and also potential witnesses. Surely it would have been better to set fire to the stand at night to avoid loss of life? I guess it would look very suspect if it just 'burnt down' when no one was there. I'd be surprised if it was a deliberate arson (you'd have to have the fire start somehow 'accidentally'). But I do generally agree, its a rather 'risky' approch to arson. But if you'd gotten away with it, say 8 times before, you'd likely think you'd do so a 9th and be more prone to taking risks. If there is reasonable grounds to reopen the case, then the case should be reopenned. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Dan1 at 16 Apr 2015 12.28pm

Not sure if they question has been asked but why set fire to the stand during a football match with the police and television cameras present and also potential witnesses. Surely it would have been better to set fire to the stand at night to avoid loss of life?

I guess it would look very suspect if it just 'burnt down' when no one was there. I'd be surprised if it was a deliberate arson (you'd have to have the fire start somehow 'accidentally'). But I do generally agree, its a rather 'risky' approch to arson. But if you'd gotten away with it, say 8 times before, you'd likely think you'd do so a 9th and be more prone to taking risks.

If there is reasonable grounds to reopen the case, then the case should be reopenned.

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cornwalls palace Torpoint 16 Apr 15 11.00pm
..bloody hell! if I was involved in 8 fires I'd expect to be held up against a wall and interrogated for a month, how the hell has he got away with this without further mention over all these years! .......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!
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Torpoint 16 Apr 15 11.00pm

..bloody hell! if I was involved in 8 fires I'd expect to be held up against a wall and interrogated for a month, how the hell has he got away with this without further mention over all these years!

.......has our coach driver done a Poo'yet, without thinking about Gus!

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Murray's the man round ear 17 Apr 15 1.36am
the chairman had companies involved in 7 or 8 fires. The stand was due to be demolished after the game. Couldnt afford to build a new stand. Johnny will return
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the chairman had companies involved in 7 or 8 fires. The stand was due to be demolished after the game. Couldnt afford to build a new stand.

Johnny will return

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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Apr 15 6.44am
Starting a rapid fire in a packed enclosed area and 4,000 people within is more SS Einzstadtgruppen not t'Yorkshire businessman in need of a few bob. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 17 Apr 15 6.44am

Starting a rapid fire in a packed enclosed area and 4,000 people within is more SS Einzstadtgruppen not t'Yorkshire businessman in need of a few bob.

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Bubbs Edinburgh 17 Apr 15 8.22am
Listening to Sir Oliver Popplewell yesterday - sounding like one of Peter Cook's judge sketches - I wouldn't trust any conclusion he came up with. Remember it was only 4 years ago he was slagging off Hillsborough families and telling them to show more dignity and stop all these conspiracy theories. [Link] 'Better stop dreaming of the quiet life 'cos it's the one we'll never know'
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Edinburgh 17 Apr 15 8.22am

Listening to Sir Oliver Popplewell yesterday - sounding like one of Peter Cook's judge sketches - I wouldn't trust any conclusion he came up with.

Remember it was only 4 years ago he was slagging off Hillsborough families and telling them to show more dignity and stop all these conspiracy theories.

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madpalacefan Bradford, 248.4(ish) miles from Se... 18 Apr 15 9.11pm
Two of my school friends were killed that day! Rupert and Felix Greenwood (Also their Dad) not only did they go to school with me they lived 5 doors up. I saw this in the local media the other day and was taken a back a bit. Remembering staffie for ever!, a gentleman and true great. unfortunately the HOL will never be the same without him.
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Bradford, 248.4(ish) miles from Se... 18 Apr 15 9.11pm

Two of my school friends were killed that day!

Rupert and Felix Greenwood (Also their Dad) not only did they go to school with me they lived 5 doors up.

I saw this in the local media the other day and was taken a back a bit.

Remembering staffie for ever!, a gentleman and true great. unfortunately the HOL will never be the same without him.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Apr 15 10.48am
Quote Kermit8 at 17 Apr 2015 6.44am Starting a rapid fire in a packed enclosed area and 4,000 people within is more SS Einzstadtgruppen not t'Yorkshire businessman in need of a few bob. I would guess that most people probably pay someone else to do the deed. The kind of people who like burning things down for a living aren't too reliable about how they do it or stable (arson is kind of a fetish to a lot of arsonists). And of course you probably don't want to know too much either (reasonable doubt and all that). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Apr 2015 6.44am

Starting a rapid fire in a packed enclosed area and 4,000 people within is more SS Einzstadtgruppen not t'Yorkshire businessman in need of a few bob.

I would guess that most people probably pay someone else to do the deed. The kind of people who like burning things down for a living aren't too reliable about how they do it or stable (arson is kind of a fetish to a lot of arsonists).

And of course you probably don't want to know too much either (reasonable doubt and all that).

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