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Johnny Eagles berlin 12 May 15 12.20pm
Quote The Sash at 12 May 2015 12.00pm Quote dannyh at 12 May 2015 9.51am Quote johnfirewall at 11 May 2015 11.07pm Goldsmiths welfare and diversity officer, Bahar Mustafa, hits out at racism accusations, stating ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist [Link] Clearly no one ever explained that to Dianne Abbott. Funny enough I worked years ago with a black woman who was the mist racist, vile piece of cock dribble you could ever wish to meet...claiming to be 'Jamaican; even though the nearest she had ever got to Kingston was a bus to Hampton Wick her ire wasn't just directed at anyone who wasn't black but anyone who wasn't from Jamaica, in fact she seemed to have a special spitting venom for people from Barbados. We had a young guy who's parents were from Jamaica who was going out with a girl who's parents were from Barbados and she gave him merry hell. Firm was too scared to sack her She ended up putting in a grievance of 47 separate instances of alleged racism, sexism etc against the firm of which it took the the tribunal 5 minutes thr tell her to f*** off - she thenleft This post reminds me of three separate anecdotes: 1. my sister who lived in Brixton being told by a black woman, "I f*cking hate white people, all white people are racist, I know you are a racist, because you are white." 2. one of my best friends, who is Asian, when we were at school, complaining about people treating him differently because of the colour of his skin, then literally in the same sentence, slagging off everyone from pakistan and saying a girl from school must be filthy because her surname was 'Patel' and "all people called Patel are filthy". And then, when we pounced on it, refusing to back down on any of it and saying it wasn't 'racist' or 'prejudiced' but completely different! 3. a gay guy I used to work with suing the company, which sacked him (because he had lost them thousands of pounds through incompetence) for homophobic discrimination. He'd been a 45% shareholder for over 10 years, the owner was gay, and they'd even had a homosexual relationship with each other in the past! ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 12 May 15 12.20pm

Quote The Sash at 12 May 2015 12.00pm

Quote dannyh at 12 May 2015 9.51am

Quote johnfirewall at 11 May 2015 11.07pm

Goldsmiths welfare and diversity officer, Bahar Mustafa, hits out at racism accusations, stating ethnic minority women can't be racist or sexist

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Clearly no one ever explained that to Dianne Abbott.

Funny enough I worked years ago with a black woman who was the mist racist, vile piece of cock dribble you could ever wish to meet...claiming to be 'Jamaican; even though the nearest she had ever got to Kingston was a bus to Hampton Wick her ire wasn't just directed at anyone who wasn't black but anyone who wasn't from Jamaica, in fact she seemed to have a special spitting venom for people from Barbados.

We had a young guy who's parents were from Jamaica who was going out with a girl who's parents were from Barbados and she gave him merry hell.

Firm was too scared to sack her

She ended up putting in a grievance of 47 separate instances of alleged racism, sexism etc against the firm of which it took the the tribunal 5 minutes thr tell her to f*** off - she thenleft

This post reminds me of three separate anecdotes:

1. my sister who lived in Brixton being told by a black woman, "I f*cking hate white people, all white people are racist, I know you are a racist, because you are white."

2. one of my best friends, who is Asian, when we were at school, complaining about people treating him differently because of the colour of his skin, then literally in the same sentence, slagging off everyone from pakistan and saying a girl from school must be filthy because her surname was 'Patel' and "all people called Patel are filthy". And then, when we pounced on it, refusing to back down on any of it and saying it wasn't 'racist' or 'prejudiced' but completely different!

3. a gay guy I used to work with suing the company, which sacked him (because he had lost them thousands of pounds through incompetence) for homophobic discrimination. He'd been a 45% shareholder for over 10 years, the owner was gay, and they'd even had a homosexual relationship with each other in the past!

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 12.58pm
Well if nothing else, this thread has proven that being a stupid prejudiced t*** is not defined by skin color. Anyone who thinks only white people can be racist, is being racist. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 May 15 12.58pm

Well if nothing else, this thread has proven that being a stupid prejudiced t*** is not defined by skin color.

Anyone who thinks only white people can be racist, is being racist.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Kermit8 Hevon 12 May 15 1.10pm
Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 May 15 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever.

They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race.

Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 May 15 1.48pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 12.58pm Well if nothing else, this thread has proven that being a stupid prejudiced t*** is not defined by skin color. Anyone who thinks only white people can be racist, is being racist. COLOR you Yank Swine !! Pro USA & Israel
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 May 2015 12.58pm

Well if nothing else, this thread has proven that being a stupid prejudiced t*** is not defined by skin color.

Anyone who thinks only white people can be racist, is being racist.

COLOR you Yank Swine !!

Pro USA & Israel

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Stuk Top half 12 May 15 3.55pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. Wow, when did the white and non-white dictionaries get seperated and published? Optimistic as ever
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

Wow, when did the white and non-white dictionaries get seperated and published?

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 May 15 4.13pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. What causes the problem is people generally being unable to accept they're racist, and trying to justify their own racism as being somehow acceptable. Whenever you judge someone or make a decision about someone based on skin colour its racist, because its the reduction of the whole of that person to stereotypes held by the individual applied because of the colour of their skin. Doesn't matter if you've experienced more or worse racism, here there or anywhere. You're being racist. Likely as well when you substitute more acceptable phrases for race, to reduce an individual to a collection of stereotypes - such as immigrant - it can still be racist or prejudicial, because its still the reduction of the individual apriori to fit prejudices held by yourself (and enforced by society), rather than those presented by that individual. Its just as racist to claim all white people are racist, as it is to claim all black people are lazy. The only difference is the historical context of the experience of black people, at the hands of white power structures. That however doesn't make someone being racist, magically not racist, it just examples how certain prejudices occur in the first place. Racialism refers almost specifically to whites really, as it is a term used to define policy and scientific thought that attributes certain assumptions to race. Racialism doesn't really exist any more, in white society. A racist might not be a racialist (they might hate black people, but not believe that those people should be treated differently). Likewise some proponants of Racialism aren't racists (Eysenk the psychologist presented racialist theory but was not himself a racist). Edited by jamiemartin721 (12 May 2015 4.17pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

What causes the problem is people generally being unable to accept they're racist, and trying to justify their own racism as being somehow acceptable.

Whenever you judge someone or make a decision about someone based on skin colour its racist, because its the reduction of the whole of that person to stereotypes held by the individual applied because of the colour of their skin.

Doesn't matter if you've experienced more or worse racism, here there or anywhere. You're being racist.

Likely as well when you substitute more acceptable phrases for race, to reduce an individual to a collection of stereotypes - such as immigrant - it can still be racist or prejudicial, because its still the reduction of the individual apriori to fit prejudices held by yourself (and enforced by society), rather than those presented by that individual.

Its just as racist to claim all white people are racist, as it is to claim all black people are lazy. The only difference is the historical context of the experience of black people, at the hands of white power structures.

That however doesn't make someone being racist, magically not racist, it just examples how certain prejudices occur in the first place.

Racialism refers almost specifically to whites really, as it is a term used to define policy and scientific thought that attributes certain assumptions to race. Racialism doesn't really exist any more, in white society. A racist might not be a racialist (they might hate black people, but not believe that those people should be treated differently).

Likewise some proponants of Racialism aren't racists (Eysenk the psychologist presented racialist theory but was not himself a racist).

Edited by jamiemartin721 (12 May 2015 4.17pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 12 May 15 4.53pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. Which frankly Kerms is utter utter bilge. As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 12 May 15 4.53pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

Which frankly Kerms is utter utter bilge.

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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johnfirewall 12 May 15 9.44pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. That might validate the status quo and the Goldsmiths example to some extent, but when the perpetrators are a set group regardless of who's the minority or oppressor in each individual situation then it's utter bollocks. Does that explanation not also imply whites are more sensitive? That sort of nonsense undermines any other form of discrimination and victimisation and therefore the idea of equality. Like the dole, it's a card a lot could of us could play but have the dignity and respect not to. Edited by johnfirewall (12 May 2015 9.53pm)
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12 May 15 9.44pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

That might validate the status quo and the Goldsmiths example to some extent, but when the perpetrators are a set group regardless of who's the minority or oppressor in each individual situation then it's utter bollocks.

Does that explanation not also imply whites are more sensitive?

That sort of nonsense undermines any other form of discrimination and victimisation and therefore the idea of equality. Like the dole, it's a card a lot could of us could play but have the dignity and respect not to.

Edited by johnfirewall (12 May 2015 9.53pm)

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TheJudge 12 May 15 10.22pm
Quote Jimenez at 27 Apr 2015 12.26pm Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Apr 2015 12.22pm A mate of mine is a radical feminist and into all the trans- BME people of colour stuff. I got into a debate on Facebook with a few of her "mates". One guy was ok, but the rest were a scary bunch. I posted something which didn't conform to their accepted world view and it got pretty nasty, pretty quickly (ironic, given how they consider themselves the height of tolerance). It was along the same lines as this story. Ie, there was a flat-share in Berlin where if you wanted to invite a white person you had to inform the other flatmates in advance. I said this was racist. They said only "people of colour" are able to determine what is racist. Anything I, as part of the white male patriarchy, might say, is per se devoid of meaning. Which to any normal thinking person is bonkers fascist brainwashing guff of the type we thought we had got rid of in 1945. But to these people, immersed in their twitter feeds and subject to the rule of the electronic mob, it's progressive and enlightened. ......and this has always been my point. Those who preach tolerance (normally on the Far Left) are the most intolerant bunch of 'Swivel eyed' C/O Seth w***ers going.... So true. Deluded with notion that they have the moral high ground and that justifies everything. Almost quasi religious.
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Quote Jimenez at 27 Apr 2015 12.26pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 27 Apr 2015 12.22pm

A mate of mine is a radical feminist and into all the trans- BME people of colour stuff. I got into a debate on Facebook with a few of her "mates".

One guy was ok, but the rest were a scary bunch. I posted something which didn't conform to their accepted world view and it got pretty nasty, pretty quickly (ironic, given how they consider themselves the height of tolerance).

It was along the same lines as this story. Ie, there was a flat-share in Berlin where if you wanted to invite a white person you had to inform the other flatmates in advance. I said this was racist. They said only "people of colour" are able to determine what is racist. Anything I, as part of the white male patriarchy, might say, is per se devoid of meaning.

Which to any normal thinking person is bonkers fascist brainwashing guff of the type we thought we had got rid of in 1945. But to these people, immersed in their twitter feeds and subject to the rule of the electronic mob, it's progressive and enlightened.

......and this has always been my point. Those who preach tolerance (normally on the Far Left) are the most intolerant bunch of 'Swivel eyed' *C/O Seth
* w***ers going....

So true.
Deluded with notion that they have the moral high ground and that justifies everything. Almost quasi religious.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 13 May 15 8.00am
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. Excuse my french, but what a load of old piss and waffle. I'm not surpised no one put their name to it. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

Excuse my french, but what a load of old piss and waffle. I'm not surpised no one put their name to it.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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npn Crowborough 13 May 15 8.20am
Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda. "It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently. As it was explained to me by some people who were minorities, their definition of racism includes oppression, and according to them if someone is not in a position to oppress you, then they cannot be racist. Therefore minorities can never be racist, ever. They actually have a separate term they use called "racialist" (or racialism) to describe someone who discriminates based on race. Most whites do not add oppression into the definition of racism. To them it simply means discrimination and hate towards other races by anyone. So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things." Anon. Which, unless I'm wrong, bascally equates to "We use that word as a way to abuse others, therefore we have come up with our own definition of it to specifically exclude ourselves, and therefore we must be right". They've actually redefined the word for their own ends and expect us to accept that as some sort of justification? What's next? Do we start burning the OED with the real definition in it? Total nonsense.
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 May 2015 1.10pm

Best explanation I could find...makes sense. Kinda.

"It comes down to the definition of the word, and different groups define that word differently.

So it causes a lot of confusion when whites say racism and blacks say racism, because to them the words mean different things."

Anon.

Which, unless I'm wrong, bascally equates to "We use that word as a way to abuse others, therefore we have come up with our own definition of it to specifically exclude ourselves, and therefore we must be right".

They've actually redefined the word for their own ends and expect us to accept that as some sort of justification? What's next? Do we start burning the OED with the real definition in it?

Total nonsense.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 13 May 15 9.24am
The rabid left-wing nutters are getting their claws out for Thomas the Tank Engine now. [Link] It's apparently sexist and illiberal. "Thomas is a poor role model. Lots of nasty competitiveness between the trains. Thomas (and others) frequently shirk their responsibilities in order to compete against each other or to show off.� And where are the LGBT trains? And why is there a fat controller but no equivalent union figures? You couldn't make it up. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 13 May 15 9.24am

The rabid left-wing nutters are getting their claws out for Thomas the Tank Engine now.

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It's apparently sexist and illiberal.

"Thomas is a poor role model. Lots of nasty competitiveness between the trains. Thomas (and others) frequently shirk their responsibilities in order to compete against each other or to show off.�

And where are the LGBT trains? And why is there a fat controller but no equivalent union figures?

You couldn't make it up.

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