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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 4.06pm

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Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm

She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily."

So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"

I would bet a pound to a shiny penny that if you pressed her to name one instance of where she has been on the receiving end because of race, gender or sexuality today, yesterday, last Tuesday, 23rd Auguest 2012 or any other date you care to mention she couldn't name one...

She's simply a trappy, up her own arse bint seeking victimhood by whatever means possible.

She probably has. My best friend is Asian, and has experienced threats and abuse on the basis of skin colour (which has only increased since he married a white girl). Similarly I've got female friends who've been harassed by men even after they've made it clear they're not interested and a gay friend who's experience includes being beaten up for being gay on a number of occasions (specifically for being gay).

This kind of s**t still goes on, it might not be condoned by the majority, and is probably the work of a minority of stupid, probably young, t***s who think its funny or a laugh (or just don't realize it).

She probably hasn't..daily ????- do me a favour Jamie

It makes me cringe to say this but going to anyway....

I have lots of black friends, a few Asian of origin and a few Europeans as well as a gay couple and two lesbians - (hate compartmentalising but need to make the point) - all friendships picked up as I have meandered through life

Yes they still occasionally get stick for one reason and another, buts it incredibly rare and certainly not a daily occurrence.

Has it ever occurred to the Diversity Office at Goldmsiths people simply do nasty stuff to her because she is a c*nt ????


Edited by The Sash (14 May 2015 6.12pm)

 


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imbored Flag UK 14 May 15 6.21pm

Quote npn at 14 May 2015 4.24pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 3.59pm

Quote eagles2011 at 14 May 2015 3.35pm

Quote rednblue4eva at 14 May 2015 3.28pm

She said: "These are in-jokes and ways that many people in the queer feminist community express ourselves - it's a way of reclaiming the power from the trauma many of us experience as queers, women, people of colour, who are on the receiving end of racism, misogyny and homophobia daily."

So it's OK for her to use the word "queers"


"it is not possible for ethnic minority women to be racist or sexist"

And I expect that applies to homophobic as well

It is, although she's paraphrasing Johnson 1997, who made an valid argument that given the historical context of oppression of minority groups, they should be considered somewhat more valid in their prejudice of the majority - having been on the receiving end.

Of course, Johnson was referring to a generation that grew up in the 70s and 80s, and before (and in the USA) - when concepts such as **** Bashing and gay bashing were considered acceptable past times.

Johnson believed that we should forgive such prejudice against the majority - and that as such, talking about such prejudice was a means of deflecting by those who provided tacit support of prejudice, away from the true argument, the experience of prejudice of those minority groups (which was often violent, physical, persistant and socially exclusive).

Of course Johnson also believed such prejudice was wrong, but understandable, given the society of the times. Certainly not all factions agreed. Chuck D of Public Enemy openly criticized the use of the phrase nigga by rappers arguing that it reduced the struggle of anti-racism, by creating a stereotype that was ultimately an anti-black propaganda.

Of course if you're actually attending university, which has actively recruited you as a spokesperson and advocate for a minority group, and funded that position - You do have to question just exactly how oppressed you are.

But there are still plenty of very stupid narrow minded bigots out there. Sadly, they exist on both sides of the fence.


Would be interesting to see that applied to Zimbabwe, where whites are both a minority and oppressed.

In Zimbabwe, for instance, is it impossible for a white person to be racist?

And what about South Africa, where foreign business owners are currently being attacked (black on black) - I realise that's more xenophobic than racist, but some of it can be tribal (not sure if that constitutes a race)

Johnson didn't say that prejudice against a majority isn't for instance racist, he just said that you can see where it comes from. The difference is this woman is saying her prejudice doesn't even qualify as prejudice, claiming that it's impossible for her to be sexist or racist.

Using Johnson's attitude it would be understandable for white people in Zimbabwe to be prejudiced, but it would still be racist.

 

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For those who say they would, have a look at the photo in the Metro and you'll probably change your mind

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Still would

 

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Quote Old Chap at 14 May 2015 8.35pm


For those who say they would, have a look at the photo in the Metro and you'll probably change your mind

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I still think she looks alright. Though she wouldn't be interested in me of course on account that I'm white. Even though she is too. This is getting confusing.

 

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legaleagle Flag 15 May 15 1.10am

Quote TheJudge at 14 May 2015 10.45am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Diversity?' by SloveniaDave

Such statements are a crime these days are they not ?

When will people realise that equality is often a euphemism for self interest. Equally, these people do the movement for real equality no good at all.
It is ironic because Britain is one of the most "equal" societies in the world and we have allowed people who's own culture rejects womems rights and promotes homophobia to have a voice in our society.
You dozy liberal/left types can't see the wood for the trees can you.

Personally speaking, as a "liberal/left type", as I have already posted,I think she is a jerk.

You are right that seeking "equality" can on occasion be a euphemism for self-interest,ie on occasion when seeking a job promotion at work.Just as voicing concern about immigration can on occasion be a euphemism for racism,or voicing support for reducing the defecit can be a euphemism for rolling back the welfare state for ideological reasons,or a wealthy person calling for lower taxes as a matter of supposed general interest "wealth creation" trickle down can be a euphemism for self-interest

The "dozy" ones (who often are those who really can't see the wood from the trees) can perhaps more accurately be described as those who use any example regarding an individual or a minority within a wider group to seek to tar the whole group with a negative brush,whether it be in relation to benefit claimants,people from a differing culture, all adherents of a particular religion,the HF or anything else.

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Quote Old Chap at 14 May 2015 8.35pm


For those who say they would, have a look at the photo in the Metro and you'll probably change your mind

[Link]


I actually just read that article, and she also describes herself as being from a "minority gender". Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the gender split roughly 50:50, maybe 48:52 one way or the other (hardly enough to refer to either gender as a minority).

So she's racist, small minded, AND stupid!

Has she not been arrested yet?

 

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TheJudge Flag 15 May 15 10.04am

Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 1.10am

Quote TheJudge at 14 May 2015 10.45am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Diversity?' by SloveniaDave

Such statements are a crime these days are they not ?

When will people realise that equality is often a euphemism for self interest. Equally, these people do the movement for real equality no good at all.
It is ironic because Britain is one of the most "equal" societies in the world and we have allowed people who's own culture rejects womems rights and promotes homophobia to have a voice in our society.
You dozy liberal/left types can't see the wood for the trees can you.

Personally speaking, as a "liberal/left type", as I have already posted,I think she is a jerk.

You are right that seeking "equality" can on occasion be a euphemism for self-interest,ie on occasion when seeking a job promotion at work.Just as voicing concern about immigration can on occasion be a euphemism for racism,or voicing support for reducing the defecit can be a euphemism for rolling back the welfare state for ideological reasons,or a wealthy person calling for lower taxes as a matter of supposed general interest "wealth creation" trickle down can be a euphemism for self-interest

The "dozy" ones (who often are those who really can't see the wood from the trees) can perhaps more accurately be described as those who use any example regarding an individual or a minority within a wider group to seek to tar the whole group with a negative brush,whether it be in relation to benefit claimants,people from a differing culture, all adherents of a particular religion,the HF or anything else.

Edited by legaleagle (15 May 2015 1.17am)


Edited by TheJudge (15 May 2015 10.05am)

 

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Quote imbored at 15 May 2015 1.06am

Quote Old Chap at 14 May 2015 8.35pm


For those who say they would, have a look at the photo in the Metro and you'll probably change your mind

[Link]


I still think she looks alright. Though she wouldn't be interested in me of course on account that I'm white. Even though she is too. This is getting confusing.


I like the quote from the late great Terry Pratchett. ‘Just because someone’s a member of an ethnic minority doesn’t mean they’re not a nasty small-minded little jerk.'

 


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TheJudge Flag 15 May 15 10.06am

Quote TheJudge at 15 May 2015 10.04am

Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 1.10am

Quote TheJudge at 14 May 2015 10.45am

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Diversity?' by SloveniaDave

Such statements are a crime these days are they not ?

When will people realise that equality is often a euphemism for self interest. Equally, these people do the movement for real equality no good at all.
It is ironic because Britain is one of the most "equal" societies in the world and we have allowed people who's own culture rejects womems rights and promotes homophobia to have a voice in our society.
You dozy liberal/left types can't see the wood for the trees can you.

Personally speaking, as a "liberal/left type", as I have already posted,I think she is a jerk.

You are right that seeking "equality" can on occasion be a euphemism for self-interest,ie on occasion when seeking a job promotion at work.Just as voicing concern about immigration can on occasion be a euphemism for racism,or voicing support for reducing the defecit can be a euphemism for rolling back the welfare state for ideological reasons,or a wealthy person calling for lower taxes as a matter of supposed general interest "wealth creation" trickle down can be a euphemism for self-interest

The "dozy" ones (who often are those who really can't see the wood from the trees) can perhaps more accurately be described as those who use any example regarding an individual or a minority within a wider group to seek to tar the whole group with a negative brush,whether it be in relation to benefit claimants,people from a differing culture, all adherents of a particular religion,the HF or anything else.

Edited by legaleagle (15 May 2015 1.17am)


I'm not sure that the race or amount of people is the issue. It is the ideology. We have a Liberal/left mentality that defends multi culture but some aspects of those cultures are diametrically opposite to the ideals of equality in all it's many forms. One persons so called set of rights infringe on someone elses. This is the problem with having a blanket attitude to morality.


 

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legaleagle Flag 15 May 15 10.58am

Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing".

"We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP...

 

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Quote npn at 15 May 2015 8.11am

Quote Old Chap at 14 May 2015 8.35pm


For those who say they would, have a look at the photo in the Metro and you'll probably change your mind

[Link]

I actually just read that article, and she also describes herself as being from a "minority gender". Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the gender split roughly 50:50, maybe 48:52 one way or the other (hardly enough to refer to either gender as a minority).

So she's racist, small minded, AND stupid!

Has she not been arrested yet?


She just needs some cock - that'll sort her out

 


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