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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies.
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 02 May 15 6.39pm |
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 02 May 15 7.23pm |
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Quote chris123 at 02 May 2015 6.58pm
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
You will import hydro-carbons, nuclear is un-sustainable. There are not the uranium resources.
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
You will import hydro-carbons, nuclear is un-sustainable. There are not the uranium resources. Well Uranium from sea water one day and there is always Thorium.
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
You will import hydro-carbons, nuclear is un-sustainable. There are not the uranium resources. Well Uranium from sea water one day and there is always Thorium. For sea water..........one day meh....needs to be soon.... the expense would be immense. Thorium is interesting, I must admit I don't have stats on fuel availability. ...as I said pro and anti nuclear both have their head in the clouds.
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Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Rubbish as I have said on other threads it would max give 30-40 years supply with the increased demand. I believe there are other battery storage breakthroughs either happening or just announced including British research. One thing, probably the only thing, I agree with Clarkson on is that the height of technologic aspiration, especially, in the UK was 1968, and it has been a slow decline since.
I did not say don't use it, I stated it was not a medium or long term solution. I do disagree with article on safety and additionally on price; however, this resonates "The nuclear power issue is “so polarized that people who oppose nuclear power will immediately dispute the numbers” I find this true with both the pro and anti lobbies. So what bit of what I wrote is rubbish? It is not a solution, not sustainable, and you need to import fuel. The article also forgot the cost of build and decommission, waste storage, and the fact that there from a risk management point of view, that there is a small likelihood of a massive pollution event. The scope of the report is extremely narrow. However, It does recognise that global warming is a human made event, it does recognise that nuclear power has advantages over fossil fuels in terms of reducing air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions. My 6 year could tell you that it is the one area where it has an advantage. It was deliberately written to highlight the benefit, what if they had compared half -life of waste as the only factor. Their data seems pretty, sparse, the assumptions around causal rates of cancer would be very interesting etc.. HOWEVER, I would not dispute at present the estimates (and depending on how you estimate) would be 2.8 - 32.7 deaths per 10 billion kilowatt hours for coal compared to 0.2 - 1.2 for nuclear. For me, Most interesting deaths due to hydroelectricity generation would be between 1.0 -54.7 due to whether include dam collapse To be honest, I can't believe that they have not even mentioned the radio-activity of coal ash waste or "acid rain" in such a dissertation, if you truly want draw up negatives of fossil fuel, but then how would they quantify it and what the impact would have been.
You will import hydro-carbons, nuclear is un-sustainable. There are not the uranium resources. Well Uranium from sea water one day and there is always Thorium. For sea water..........one day meh....needs to be soon.... the expense would be immense. Thorium is interesting, I must admit I don't have stats on fuel availability. ...as I said pro and anti nuclear both have their head in the clouds. India is building a fast breeder reactor that uses Thorium as it's feedstock for producing Uranium 233.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 03 May 15 10.32am |
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Quote chris123 at 02 May 2015 11.00am
Nuclear is cleaner than fossil fuel and means you can be secure in your energy supply, as you don't need to import hydrocarbons. Unless something goes wrong, in which case the effects can be fairly devastating. Its also very expensive to build and surprisingly inefficient although not so much in terms of long time. The waste is a problem, and security is a bitch in the age of modern terrorism.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 15 10.48am | |
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All sounds good, but I still don't think it's as efficient a system as invading a country, bombing its people, digging miles in to that land's core, blowing up rocks, extracting some oil and selling it in big buildings on the side of motorways.
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| Hoof Hearted 03 May 15 10.51am | |
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My experience of life is that you never get something for nothing. Sounds good nick, but there will be some major flaw/payback later down the line.
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