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 Johnny Eagles  berlin 07 May 15 10.40am |
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Quote npn at 07 May 2015 10.16am
I wish it were - as it stands, UKIP look likely to get 15% of the vote, Greens 5%, yet the Greens will get one voice in parliament (probably) and UKIP maybe 3 at a real push - democracy? Constituencies are, as far as I can tell, totally pointless. Two advantages of FPTP: 1. we could bin Cameron today (or whoever was PM), no questions asked, simply by voting. We are not dependent on party lists, backroom deals, internal party wranglings. If we want rid, we vote for the opposition, he goes. 2. Your MP represents YOU (and the people in your area). Most 'representatives' in PR systems are placemen with little more than symbolic representation. If you have some ratbag who you can't stand, in FPTP, if you don't vote for him, he gets nowhere. In PR, the party decides. If he's high up enough on the list, even if the locals hate him, he gets a seat.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 07 May 15 10.43am |
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Quote We are goin up! at 07 May 2015 10.29am
Quote npn at 07 May 2015 10.16am
Quote We are goin up! at 07 May 2015 9.22am
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 7.58pm
Quote topcat at 06 May 2015 7.54pm
Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? I blame Ukip. They promised up to 40 MPs and were expected to split the far right vote. However despite the Tory election campaign being pretty poor they look as if they will be lucky to get a handful of MPs, possibly only one. Couldn't care less. Both the major parties have adopted UKIP policies to get votes. That is success.
FPTP has its faults but I think it's more likely to produce stable government than PR. People saying "well it works in Europe"... Has it really? Last time I checked Europe was in the sh*t The aim of democracy isn't to produce a stable government, its to produce a government that is representative of the electorate. The job of government is to then work together to achieve stability whilst representing their electorate. If 10% of the countries voters fascists, then 10% of the government should be fascists. The fact that about 8-12% of the country voted Green or UKIP and returned 1 MP between them undermines any idea that we have a representative democracy. Hilariously, the government will represent about 20-30% of the population that votes.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 May 15 10.48am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 07 May 2015 10.40am
Quote npn at 07 May 2015 10.16am
I wish it were - as it stands, UKIP look likely to get 15% of the vote, Greens 5%, yet the Greens will get one voice in parliament (probably) and UKIP maybe 3 at a real push - democracy? Constituencies are, as far as I can tell, totally pointless. Two advantages of FPTP: 1. we could bin Cameron today (or whoever was PM), no questions asked, simply by voting. We are not dependent on party lists, backroom deals, internal party wranglings. If we want rid, we vote for the opposition, he goes. 2. Your MP represents YOU (and the people in your area). Most 'representatives' in PR systems are placemen with little more than symbolic representation. If you have some ratbag who you can't stand, in FPTP, if you don't vote for him, he gets nowhere. In PR, the party decides. If he's high up enough on the list, even if the locals hate him, he gets a seat. My local MP is a tory, in a relative safe seat, who is not local. In no way are they any more representative. In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. I haven't seen many people switch their vote in a general election because the sitting MP was a c**t. Wokingham had Redgrave for decades, and even many of the Tory voters there didn't really like him. I doubt many, if any went, f**k that guy, I'm voting Lib Dem or Labour. Of course if in PR systems he's a total cock, then those people who he was fostered on, won't vote for that party next time around.
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Mr Fenandes  07 May 15 11.08am |
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Quote Superfly at 07 May 2015 9.02am
Quote mikebcpfc at 06 May 2015 8.44pm
Why is it when you discuss politics and peoples view's on it, most people, like on this thread - turn into complete and utter c***s?
People set themselves up as Left or Right wing and that's them sorted for any argument ever, and won't stray from their party's policies no matter what. Evident in every single political thread on HOL. I'm very liberal but at the same time believe in a Eugenics programme/one-child policy. Sometimes it's nice to cross the fence.
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| gambler Kent 07 May 15 11.31am |
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Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame?
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| gambler Kent 07 May 15 11.42am |
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Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 9.24pm
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Quote matt_himself at 06 May 2015 6.38pm
Despite your potshots at UKIP, you must be gutted that you have lost this election. Therefore, who do you blame? You've come in your pants there tootsie, if the latest polls are anything to go by...
So you are saying that Labour are left wing? Interesting. No, that the anti austerity, we hold the balance of power, SNP are in the driving seat. Excuse me. Do you think Labour are 'anti austerity'? More to the point, why hasn't the 'anti austerity' got votes outside of Scotland?
Furthermore, answer the original question. Why have the left failed int his election?
According to you the 'masses' we're going to rise against austerity. austerity simply isn't an issue in this election, as far as the voters are concerned. 'Credible' TUSC will lose all their deposits. The left has lost. Plus, you hate Labour, why are you potentially celebrating them getting power? Hypocrisy?
Hypocrite. You have said previously that Labour betray socialist ideals, yet here you are lauding them as the least worse option. I therefore ask again, why has the 'anti austerity' movement achieved nothing in this election? The Greens, Respect and 'credible' TUSC will be nowhere. Why?
Because they won't get as many votes as the other parties. It's not that difficult to comprehend is it?
Why has sir message not resonated with voters?
Now answer my question Why didn't UKIP do very well in their first GE? (and why won't they do well in this one?)
You won't admit that the 'anti austerity' thing is crap. UKIP have won. Both main parties have pledged to 'curb immigration' plus the Tories have committed to referendum. I am actually now thinking of voting Tory just to piss off people like you and Crystal Balls.
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| masonic_palace Gatport Airwick 07 May 15 1.08pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 May 15 1.18pm |
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Quote masonic_palace at 07 May 2015 1.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote That's dedication. I'm voting Green as I got a blowie from a Green party campaigner once. I'd even go UKIP for a Brown candidate...
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| legaleagle 07 May 15 1.22pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 8.22pm
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| ghosteagle 07 May 15 2.30pm |
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Quote masonic_palace at 07 May 2015 1.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote That is the definition of madness. Bonkers.
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| npn Crowborough 07 May 15 2.38pm |
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Quote ghosteagle at 07 May 2015 2.30pm
Quote masonic_palace at 07 May 2015 1.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote That is the definition of madness. Bonkers.
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| ghosteagle 07 May 15 3.05pm |
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Quote npn at 07 May 2015 2.38pm
Quote ghosteagle at 07 May 2015 2.30pm
Quote masonic_palace at 07 May 2015 1.08pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 May 2015 10.48am
In reality of course most people don't seem to vote based on their MP, but on their MP's party. Most people?? I'd say more like 99.9% of voters go for the party rather than the person. I'm lucky in my constituency that the party I vote for has a decent candidate whereas the opposition candidate is an idiot - but even if roles were reversed, my vote would still be based on the party. That's the reality - if Kylie Minogue was the Labour candidate, even if she offered to let me smash her back doors in, she wouldn't get my vote That is the definition of madness. Bonkers.
I'd vote for Jeffery Archer if Mrs Minogue was to offer her affections in return. Forget politics, this is serious!
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