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Quote Rubin at 10 May 2015 1.01pm
Tristram Hunt - the only one that isn't annoying.
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Quote Rubin at 10 May 2015 1.01pm
Tristram Hunt - the only one that isn't annoying.
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Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really.
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Quote Rubin at 10 May 2015 5.47pm
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Quote Rubin at 10 May 2015 1.01pm
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Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
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Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
Just conveniently brush over the fact that Miliband performed worse than any leader since Kinnock in 1987. If you think Labour can win from further left than they were under Miliband then you are very naive or just deluded.
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| Stirlingsays 10 May 15 7.21pm |
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The only real chance is to elect David Miliband......But they aren't that sensible and he's probably still sore. I quite like Lemmy but I don't think he's Labour's Obama. Basically there is a talent vacuum at the top of Labour......It's the other brother or they are fecked.
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| Stuk Top half 15 May 15 11.03am |
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Chuka Umanna has withdrawn. So he'll probably be the one after the next f***up.
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| npn Crowborough 15 May 15 11.16am |
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Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 11.03am
Chuka Umanna has withdrawn. So he'll probably be the one after the next f***up.
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| Charlie Croker Hampshire 15 May 15 12.03pm |
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Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 11.03am
Chuka Umanna has withdrawn. So he'll probably be the one after the next f***up.
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| matt_himself Matataland 15 May 15 12.17pm |
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Quote Stuk at 15 May 2015 11.03am
Chuka Umanna has withdrawn. So he'll probably be the one after the next f***up.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 May 15 12.35pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
Just conveniently brush over the fact that Miliband performed worse than any leader since Kinnock in 1987. If you think Labour can win from further left than they were under Miliband then you are very naive or just deluded. Didn't labours vote go up? Were the SNP using an anti austerity stance yes or no?
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| derben 15 May 15 12.50pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 15 May 2015 12.35pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 6.51pm
Quote nickgusset at 10 May 2015 4.51pm
Quote derben at 10 May 2015 4.37pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 3.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 10 May 2015 3.18pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 May 2015 2.11pm
Labour need to decide on what their tack is and just hammer it home. Their failure in this election was that they didn't sufficiently set their stall out: while the Tories banged on about the deficit and jobs and the SNP, Labour switched from one thing to another. Sadly I think this means they'll bring in some Blairite like Chukka Umunna and move to the right. I think arguing they can't win from the left is presumptuous as I still believe that there is a very convincing anti-austerity egalitarian argument to be made. They have 5 years, so plenty of time to alter public discourse.
With the greatest of respect, appealing to people with your views is a route to defeat. The same is incidentally true of me and the Tories. I would only vote for them if their leader was Norman Tebbitt, Mrs Peter Bone or Attila the Hun.
A slight shift to the left, which would involve strong arguments around a living wage, electoral reform, Keynesian economics and large-scale house building would not exactly be a leap to full Communism. Yes, the centre-left hasn't won an election for pushing on 40 years now but it still has the apparatus there to do so: a far larger membership base than the Tories, much greater numbers on the ground and union funding, which let's not forget still amounts to millions of pounds. Sure, all but 2 of the mainstream newspapers are right wing, but their power is waning really. So you think Labour lost because they were not far enough to the left? So I guess the electorate thought, hmmm, Labour is not far enough to the left for me, I know, I'll vote for the Tories, they are more to the left than Labour. Labour lost in scotland against an anti austerity party...
Just conveniently brush over the fact that Miliband performed worse than any leader since Kinnock in 1987. If you think Labour can win from further left than they were under Miliband then you are very naive or just deluded. Didn't labours vote go up? Were the SNP using an anti austerity stance yes or no?
The SNP tapped into the Scots' feeling of pride in their history and nationhood (as well as their hatred of England and especially London). The sort of pride that you ignore or deride in English people.
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