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derben Flag 09 May 15 11.04am


We had a referendum on changing first-past-the-post and it was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate.

 

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Quote derben at 09 May 2015 11.04am


We had a referendum on changing first-past-the-post and it was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate.


That was a vote for AV, though. Not PR.

 

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derben Flag 09 May 15 11.26am

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Quote derben at 09 May 2015 11.04am


We had a referendum on changing first-past-the-post and it was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate.


That was a vote for AV, though. Not PR.

Yes, but I very much suspect a referendum on full PR would give a similar result. The issue is very low on most voter's list of priorities.

Minority parties can get elected via fptp. In 1945 there were loads: 6 Independents; 2 National; 1 Common Wealth; 2 Communists; 2 Nationalists; 2 National Independents; 2 Independent Labour; 2 Independent Conservative; 3 Ind Labour Party; 1 Independent Progressive; 2 Independent Liberals.

 

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View Percy of Peckham's Profile Percy of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 09 May 15 11.45am Send a Private Message to Percy of Peckham Add Percy of Peckham as a friend

It just seems a shame that 'minority interests' remain so. They don't get a chance to develop any critical mass under fptp.

 


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imbored Flag UK 09 May 15 4.08pm

Quote derben at 09 May 2015 11.04am


We had a referendum on changing first-past-the-post and it was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate.


Yes, in part because of a disgusting campaign against it

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imbored Flag UK 09 May 15 4.08pm

and this..

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Quote derben at 09 May 2015 11.26am

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Quote derben at 09 May 2015 11.04am


We had a referendum on changing first-past-the-post and it was overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate.


That was a vote for AV, though. Not PR.

Yes, but I very much suspect a referendum on full PR would give a similar result. The issue is very low on most voter's list of priorities.

Minority parties can get elected via fptp. In 1945 there were loads: 6 Independents; 2 National; 1 Common Wealth; 2 Communists; 2 Nationalists; 2 National Independents; 2 Independent Labour; 2 Independent Conservative; 3 Ind Labour Party; 1 Independent Progressive; 2 Independent Liberals.


I don't agree - I voted against AV, because it's a steaming pile of camel sh*t, but would have voted for true PR in a heartbeat. I don't imagine I'm the only one

 

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View rob1969's Profile rob1969 Flag Banstead Surrey 09 May 15 4.22pm Send a Private Message to rob1969 Add rob1969 as a friend

Of course we should have PR - still based on constituencies.The FPTP system is blatantly unfair and is unsuited to a multi party system that we now have with a wide spread of votes.
Will it happen? Not as long as the governing party has and thinks they can continue to form a majority government.

In 2010 we had - for the first time in many years - a government that received 60+ per cent of the votes.
A government that could truly claim to represent the majority. A government - for some reason always referred to in the media as 'the coalition' as though it wasn't actually a government - that lasted the full term and - whist never satisfying everybody - was kept very near the centre of the political spectrum.

2015 - We are back to a government elected on 40 or so per cent of the votes and due to a modest majority and right wing pressure from within will move well away from the centre ground

So as far as representative government is concerned we have taken a step back.

 

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imbored Flag UK 10 May 15 11.37pm

A graph illustrating the percentage of the vote both parties have gained each election. Based on this alone it's easy to see how our governments are becoming less representative over time.

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derben Flag 11 May 15 9.38am


Ironically, the EU elections are by PR and we have lots of UKIP MEPs. There even used to be two BNP MEPs. Presumably those who clamour for PR are happy with that?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 11 May 15 9.46am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Quote derben at 11 May 2015 9.38am


Ironically, the EU elections are by PR and we have lots of UKIP MEPs. There even used to be two BNP MEPs. Presumably those who clamour for PR are happy with that?


Even for someone who has nothing aligned with either of the aboves ideologies or policies I think it's only fair. The fact that UKIP got so many votes and only 1 MP just shows the flaws with the current system.

 

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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 11 May 15 10.40am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

What I find most worrying about this argument is that it seems to have only become an issue because of the parties involved.

The nature of the SNP with wanting to break up the country and the uncertainty surrounds them makes people not like them.

The Conservatives are being slammed by a more vocal left before they have even started is concerning. In terms of the Government (which seems to have attracted a lot of disdain), this Government is more representative than 2005 when there was no clamour for reform:

2015 Government: Conservatives: 36.9% vote and 50.9% seats

2005 Government: Labour: 35.2% vote and 55.1% seats

Had the Lib Dems got the same votes that the SNP did in Scotland and had Labour got the Conservatives' votes in England, I do not believe that this would be an issue.

Moreover, had the Conservatives and UKIP teamed up and formed a majority (would be around 50%) under PR, I get the impression that there would still be protesting.

Very dangerous to change a system when judgment is clouded by personal opinion of specific parties for some.

 


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