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Quote imbored at 08 May 2015 4.32pm

Personality politics in full flow. Let's vote for someone based on how sexy or otherwise they look eating a bacon sandwich. Maybe we should have a lovely legs contest instead of voting on policy.


whilst i agree with you, he is hardly someone you would feel comfortable conversing with fellow world leaders. Imagine he and Obama hosting a BBQ - trying to eat a sloppy joe? no thanks

 


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Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 4.57pm

What about his stupid policies like capping fuel prices when they were really high? Even though he was the energy secretary who brought in all the green policies?

What about the Mansion tax? Total Crap

He also wanted to cap rents which would never work

He was clueless and out of touch


Capping rents not a bad idea if you consider that housing benefit goes straight into the pockets of landlords who hike rents, rather than to a local authority who would be able to charge cheaper rents and also keeping it under our ownership.

I really hope labour have some balls and lurch leftwards. Mark my words the tories haven't even started cutting yet, by the time the next election comes around...

As do the Tories.

Sure fire way to ensure a permanent Tory hold over the centre ground and, therefore, government.

 


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imbored Flag UK 08 May 15 6.48pm

Quote beagle at 08 May 2015 6.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 5.20pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 4.57pm

What about his stupid policies like capping fuel prices when they were really high? Even though he was the energy secretary who brought in all the green policies?

What about the Mansion tax? Total Crap

He also wanted to cap rents which would never work

He was clueless and out of touch


Capping rents not a bad idea if you consider that housing benefit goes straight into the pockets of landlords who hike rents, rather than to a local authority who would be able to charge cheaper rents and also keeping it under our ownership.

I really hope labour have some balls and lurch leftwards. Mark my words the tories haven't even started cutting yet, by the time the next election comes around...

As do the Tories.

Sure fire way to ensure a permanent Tory hold over the centre ground and, therefore, government.

More often parties get voted out rather than in, so when things mess up which inevitably happens whoever is in power there will be a shift. It's all point scoring, from all parties. I mean, The tories wanted further bank deregulation and actually pledged to match Labours spending, but when the s*** hit the fan with the global crash, it's a winning tactic to now go on the attack as if it magically wouldn't have happened under their watch.

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Quote rob1969 at 08 May 2015 6.09pm

Quote Stuk at 08 May 2015 5.27pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 5.20pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 4.57pm

What about his stupid policies like capping fuel prices when they were really high? Even though he was the energy secretary who brought in all the green policies?

What about the Mansion tax? Total Crap

He also wanted to cap rents which would never work

He was clueless and out of touch


Capping rents not a bad idea if you consider that housing benefit goes straight into the pockets of landlords who hike rents, rather than to a local authority who would be able to charge cheaper rents and also keeping it under our ownership.

I really hope labour have some balls and lurch leftwards. Mark my words the tories haven't even started cutting yet, by the time the next election comes around...

Boris will be leader. You can't wait for that can you?



Surely they moved to the left this time and look where it got them. They didn't win in the 90'sh by 'lurching' to the left. If you not noticed the English have no great love of socialism.

Well that's true, but only if you consider the English to be only those in the south east, and outside of London.

One of the problems that Labour have is that for large swathes of the country they have been too right wing. Most of the north, the midlands, Wales and especially Scotland are actually in favour of socially responsible politics, as is a lot of London. In the rush to claim the centre ground, against the party's instincts, they have lost a large number of their potential supporters.

They became "Tory-lite" losing the election against a quite un-popular coalition government (whose junior partners were totally wiped out) the only logical conclusion is that they need to show some clear water between themselves and their opponents.

Tory-lite may have been good enough to secure Blair three victories in a row, but we are now in a different place, and I sense the electorate want a real alternative, not a slightly less Tory version.

 


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imbored Flag UK 08 May 15 8.12pm

Quote Willo at 08 May 2015 6.33pm

Quote Murray's the man at 08 May 2015 6.09pm

Quote silvertop at 08 May 2015 6.00pm

Quote NEILLO at 08 May 2015 4.46pm

Dave & Co. seem to be the most unpopular government since the Thatcher days.

Yet Labour failed to take advantage of that. Shows how poor their Leadership choices are / were.


Shades of foot. Had they picked a presentable electable leader rather than the mop on a stick, things would have been very different. As it happened the Tories used foot to wash the floor. The unions need to balance the need for a yes man and the need for power.


David Milliband

Miliband distanced himself from "New Labour" and took the party to the 'Left' but you cannot win elections in the UK from the 'Left'. Miliband didn't come across as a credible leader and at the end of the day the voters never trusted Labour to deliver especially on the economy.


Edited by Willo (08 May 2015 6.33pm)

Being that prior to the global banking crisis the Conservatives had pledged to match Labours spending, and wanted further deregulation of the banks, how do you draw the conclusion that they would've better managed the economy?

 

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Quote crystal balls at 08 May 2015 7.56pm

Quote rob1969 at 08 May 2015 6.09pm

Quote Stuk at 08 May 2015 5.27pm

Quote nickgusset at 08 May 2015 5.20pm

Quote Pussay Patrol at 08 May 2015 4.57pm

What about his stupid policies like capping fuel prices when they were really high? Even though he was the energy secretary who brought in all the green policies?

What about the Mansion tax? Total Crap

He also wanted to cap rents which would never work

He was clueless and out of touch


Capping rents not a bad idea if you consider that housing benefit goes straight into the pockets of landlords who hike rents, rather than to a local authority who would be able to charge cheaper rents and also keeping it under our ownership.

I really hope labour have some balls and lurch leftwards. Mark my words the tories haven't even started cutting yet, by the time the next election comes around...

Boris will be leader. You can't wait for that can you?



Surely they moved to the left this time and look where it got them. They didn't win in the 90'sh by 'lurching' to the left. If you not noticed the English have no great love of socialism.

Well that's true, but only if you consider the English to be only those in the south east, and outside of London.

One of the problems that Labour have is that for large swathes of the country they have been too right wing. Most of the north, the midlands, Wales and especially Scotland are actually in favour of socially responsible politics, as is a lot of London. In the rush to claim the centre ground, against the party's instincts, they have lost a large number of their potential supporters.

They became "Tory-lite" losing the election against a quite un-popular coalition government (whose junior partners were totally wiped out) the only logical conclusion is that they need to show some clear water between themselves and their opponents.

Tory-lite may have been good enough to secure Blair three victories in a row, but we are now in a different place, and I sense the electorate want a real alternative, not a slightly less Tory version.


Totally disagree with the above. Labour must not lurch to the left if they want to get back into power.

What typically happens is a party loses an election, then moves away from the centre toward their core vote. History shows that doesn't work.

What Labour needs is a left of centre business friendly approach. Sadly the unions will not want to approve a Labour leader with that plan = another term out of government.

 


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