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Catfish Flag Burgess Hill 12 May 15 8.35pm

So the Tories are planning a new round of union reform to stop the public services striking. Talk about kicking a dead horse. I take it this is a prelude to further public service cuts. Still, I suppose it will get a cheer at the Tory party conference and that is the main thing.

Oh, but they will be introducing a British Bill of Rights. No inconsistency there then.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 12 May 15 8.50pm

Quote Catfish at 12 May 2015 8.35pm

So the Tories are planning a new round of union reform to stop the public services striking. Talk about kicking a dead horse. I take it this is a prelude to further public service cuts. Still, I suppose it will get a cheer at the Tory party conference and that is the main thing.

Oh, but they will be introducing a British Bill of Rights. No inconsistency there then.


Yes a party that was put in power by 24% of the electorate wants 50% to vote for a strike ballot to be legit.

Unions have proposed an electronic ballot system, but have been told they can't.

 

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View punksnotdead's Profile punksnotdead Flag croydon 12 May 15 8.53pm Send a Private Message to punksnotdead Add punksnotdead as a friend

Always make me laugh the tories. they want unions to have over 40% vote in favour of strike with over 50% turnout , yet they govern with just 26% of the eligible voters , why don't they just admit that they don't want any workers to have rights, esp public sector workers , who they view as scum , despite them being public sector workers themselves! hypocrites , always biting the hand that feeds

 

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View gambler's Profile gambler Flag Kent 12 May 15 8.57pm Send a Private Message to gambler Add gambler as a friend

Network Rail strike should be good fun!

It's sure to bring out the "i haven't had a pay rise for four years" brigade

Well, get yourself a decent union and you'll get a nice fat rise won't you! Jealous f***ers

Edited by gambler (12 May 2015 8.57pm)

 

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Hoof Hearted 13 May 15 11.28am

Where do I sign up for this Union bashing?

 

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Quote gambler at 12 May 2015 8.57pm

Network Rail strike should be good fun!

Yeah, it'll be f*cking cosmic.

We've had nothing but train drivers strikes this year over here.

Regularly f*cking over as many people as they can to pressure the bosses into giving you more money.

Great way to get the general public onside. Your average German just loves a train driver nowadays.

 


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View ambrose7's Profile ambrose7 Flag Croydon 13 May 15 11.47am Send a Private Message to ambrose7 Add ambrose7 as a friend

Surely the entire point of a strike is to demonstrate worker dissatisfaction and to encourage a change in working conditions?

Therefore, surely that cause only has some weight when at least 4/10 actually agree that there should be some change? Otherwise, what's for the employer to say it's an insignificant amount and hardly budge?

 


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Quote Johnny Eagles at 13 May 2015 11.45am

Quote gambler at 12 May 2015 8.57pm

Network Rail strike should be good fun!

Yeah, it'll be f*cking cosmic.

We've had nothing but train drivers strikes this year over here.

Regularly f*cking over as many people as they can to pressure the bosses into giving you more money.

Great way to get the general public onside. Your average German just loves a train driver nowadays.

I guess handing out flyers didn't work?

In this age of 'zero hour contracts', minimum wage (that affect far more people) that do absolutely nothing but BENEFIT THE BOSS, i'm glad there are still a small few that do have some muscle whether I always agree with their stance or not.
Bit by bit these powers are being diminished and the public in the main applaud it because it disrupts their day. The politics of envy?
Be careful what you wish for.

Edited by TUX (13 May 2015 7.27pm)

 

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Pussay Patrol Flag 14 May 15 5.24pm

Quote punksnotdead at 12 May 2015 8.53pm

Always make me laugh the tories. they want unions to have over 40% vote in favour of strike with over 50% turnout , yet they govern with just 26% of the eligible voters , why don't they just admit that they don't want any workers to have rights, esp public sector workers , who they view as scum , despite them being public sector workers themselves! hypocrites , always biting the hand that feeds

Surely that's logical though? If only half of the members can be bothered to vote and then only 80% of them agree with the strike, there cannot be strong enough feeling among the workers about the dispute and they don't therefore have a mandate to strike?

I don't see the link with election turn outs either, seems like just a lazy, tenuous comparison.

You're trying to compare angst among a small group of workers who would, you would think, be United in their dispute against general apathy towards politics and democracy of which parties have little or no control over

Edited by Pussay Patrol (14 May 2015 9.38pm)

 


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I think it is fair to say that a major change to industrial relations should require a significant mandate.

But moreover it isn't a spurious comparison to say that people saying a higher threshold should be required do look very hypocritical when they themselves have been given significantly more power on the basis of a much much smaller threshold.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 May 15 5.31pm

Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights.

Cunds

 

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derben Flag 14 May 15 5.47pm

Quote nickgusset at 14 May 2015 5.31pm

Make it impossible to strike, then hit people with cuts to work rights.

Cunds

Impossible? Why impossible?

50% of those eligible to vote must vote, and 40% of those eligible to vote must vote for the strike.
So if the workforce numbered a 100, 50 of them must vote and 40 of those must vote to strike. So you could still have your strike although 60% do not want it or have no opinion.

Hardly communist-block suppression of union rights is it.

 

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