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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 May 15 1.15pm
Quote Kermit8 at 13 May 2015 9.16pm Quote derben at 13 May 2015 9.12pm Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 9.03pm Quote derben at 13 May 2015 8.34pm Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 8.19pm ...as opposed to the (by definition)gents on the extreme right,who never turn on/eliminate those they fall out with/perceive as rivals. viz. Hitler's elimination of Ernst Rohm I quite agree, all extremists are like that. But I think there are more splits and splintering on the left, The People's Front of Judea; Judean People's Front; Judean Popular People's Front; Popular Front of Judea; TUSC; Solidarity; Socialist Workers Party; Respect; etc etc etc Also, the rightwing extremists tend to be pretty upfront in their intentions, like the Nazis openly hating Jews, whereas the left while slaughtering various groups they disapprove of tend to say they are 'progressive' and doing it for the good of the 'people'(and of course pretending not to hate Jews too). As Ronnie Reagan once said, "there you go again!" No history of similar differentiation in the "extreme"right wing camp...NF, BNP, EDL,Britain First, 21st Century Blackshirts,English National Party etc I think you are naive if you think "nasties" on the extreme right did/do not frequently try to dress up their agenda with populist justifications and play down nastiness, at a stage of seeking wider public support. Equally,I'm not sure it could be said that the Stalin-era USSR played down hatred of others, ie "reactionary class enemies".Rather like the Nazis,they painted a picture of a paradise to be attained once the "evil other" within had been eliminated. You also seem quick to equate some groups on the left with the very extreme right,rather than perhaps their more actual polar opposite equivalents, ie Respect (which I personally have no time for) and elements within UKIP. Interestingly,when an opinion poll was taken earlier this year about underlying attitudes and political party preferences of voters,potential lib dem voters came out on top in terms of those also expressing anti-semitic sentiments,as opposed to potential voters for parties to their "left" and "right". Edited by legaleagle (13 May 2015 9.05pm) I'm not sure what the point of any of this is. We both seem to agree that extremists, whether left or right, are both nasty and deserving of ridicule. This thread is about ridiculing the ludicrous state of North Korea, I presume we both disapprove of the regime, unlike some not so extreme lefties who make excuses for them. I certainly don't agree that UKIP are as extreme as Respect (alias Socialst Workers Party). Edited by derben (13 May 2015 9.14pm) A puny amount compared to the many right wing (extreme) organisations across the globe who aren't shy about showing off their respect/love/admiration for one A.Hitler. Are they people who make 'excuses' for North Korea, I've never met any. People from the Communist party seemed to hate them, as did the SWP and socialist party. There is a significant difference between extremists and people with far and left wing views, politically speaking. Not every Marxist is gearing up for a RAF / Baader-Meinhoff showdown with the state, and not every fascist is planning a Black Brigade bombing. Indeed, one of the interesting things when you look at extreme politics is a division between those who are interested in the politics and philosophy, and those who 'don't talk about the weather'. There is a massive difference between being a Marxist and the Red Army Faction. Similarly, republicanism in Ireland, doesn't mean you're 'IRA'. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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...as opposed to the (by definition)gents on the extreme right,who never turn on/eliminate those they fall out with/perceive as rivals. viz. Hitler's elimination of Ernst Rohm

I quite agree, all extremists are like that. But I think there are more splits and splintering on the left, The People's Front of Judea; Judean People's Front; Judean Popular People's Front; Popular Front of Judea; TUSC; Solidarity; Socialist Workers Party; Respect; etc etc etc Also, the rightwing extremists tend to be pretty upfront in their intentions, like the Nazis openly hating Jews, whereas the left while slaughtering various groups they disapprove of tend to say they are 'progressive' and doing it for the good of the 'people'(and of course pretending not to hate Jews too).

As Ronnie Reagan once said, "there you go again!"

No history of similar differentiation in the "extreme"right wing camp...NF, BNP, EDL,Britain First, 21st Century Blackshirts,English National Party etc

I think you are naive if you think "nasties" on the extreme right did/do not frequently try to dress up their agenda with populist justifications and play down nastiness, at a stage of seeking wider public support.

Equally,I'm not sure it could be said that the Stalin-era USSR played down hatred of others, ie "reactionary class enemies".Rather like the Nazis,they painted a picture of a paradise to be attained once the "evil other" within had been eliminated.

You also seem quick to equate some groups on the left with the very extreme right,rather than perhaps their more actual polar opposite equivalents, ie Respect (which I personally have no time for) and elements within UKIP.

Interestingly,when an opinion poll was taken earlier this year about underlying attitudes and political party preferences of voters,potential lib dem voters came out on top in terms of those also expressing anti-semitic sentiments,as opposed to potential voters for parties to their "left" and "right".

Edited by legaleagle (13 May 2015 9.05pm)

I'm not sure what the point of any of this is. We both seem to agree that extremists, whether left or right, are both nasty and deserving of ridicule. This thread is about ridiculing the ludicrous state of North Korea, I presume we both disapprove of the regime, unlike some not so extreme lefties who make excuses for them. I certainly don't agree that UKIP are as extreme as Respect (alias Socialst Workers Party).

Edited by derben (13 May 2015 9.14pm)

A puny amount compared to the many right wing (extreme) organisations across the globe who aren't shy about showing off their respect/love/admiration for one A.Hitler.

Are they people who make 'excuses' for North Korea, I've never met any. People from the Communist party seemed to hate them, as did the SWP and socialist party.

There is a significant difference between extremists and people with far and left wing views, politically speaking. Not every Marxist is gearing up for a RAF / Baader-Meinhoff showdown with the state, and not every fascist is planning a Black Brigade bombing.

Indeed, one of the interesting things when you look at extreme politics is a division between those who are interested in the politics and philosophy, and those who 'don't talk about the weather'.

There is a massive difference between being a Marxist and the Red Army Faction. Similarly, republicanism in Ireland, doesn't mean you're 'IRA'.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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derben 14 May 15 1.37pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 1.15pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 May 2015 9.16pm Quote derben at 13 May 2015 9.12pm Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 9.03pm Quote derben at 13 May 2015 8.34pm Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 8.19pm ...as opposed to the (by definition)gents on the extreme right,who never turn on/eliminate those they fall out with/perceive as rivals. viz. Hitler's elimination of Ernst Rohm I quite agree, all extremists are like that. But I think there are more splits and splintering on the left, The People's Front of Judea; Judean People's Front; Judean Popular People's Front; Popular Front of Judea; TUSC; Solidarity; Socialist Workers Party; Respect; etc etc etc Also, the rightwing extremists tend to be pretty upfront in their intentions, like the Nazis openly hating Jews, whereas the left while slaughtering various groups they disapprove of tend to say they are 'progressive' and doing it for the good of the 'people'(and of course pretending not to hate Jews too). As Ronnie Reagan once said, "there you go again!" No history of similar differentiation in the "extreme"right wing camp...NF, BNP, EDL,Britain First, 21st Century Blackshirts,English National Party etc I think you are naive if you think "nasties" on the extreme right did/do not frequently try to dress up their agenda with populist justifications and play down nastiness, at a stage of seeking wider public support. Equally,I'm not sure it could be said that the Stalin-era USSR played down hatred of others, ie "reactionary class enemies".Rather like the Nazis,they painted a picture of a paradise to be attained once the "evil other" within had been eliminated. You also seem quick to equate some groups on the left with the very extreme right,rather than perhaps their more actual polar opposite equivalents, ie Respect (which I personally have no time for) and elements within UKIP. Interestingly,when an opinion poll was taken earlier this year about underlying attitudes and political party preferences of voters,potential lib dem voters came out on top in terms of those also expressing anti-semitic sentiments,as opposed to potential voters for parties to their "left" and "right". Edited by legaleagle (13 May 2015 9.05pm) I'm not sure what the point of any of this is. We both seem to agree that extremists, whether left or right, are both nasty and deserving of ridicule. This thread is about ridiculing the ludicrous state of North Korea, I presume we both disapprove of the regime, unlike some not so extreme lefties who make excuses for them. I certainly don't agree that UKIP are as extreme as Respect (alias Socialst Workers Party). Edited by derben (13 May 2015 9.14pm) A puny amount compared to the many right wing (extreme) organisations across the globe who aren't shy about showing off their respect/love/admiration for one A.Hitler. Are they people who make 'excuses' for North Korea, I've never met any. People from the Communist party seemed to hate them, as did the SWP and socialist party. There is a significant difference between extremists and people with far and left wing views, politically speaking. Not every Marxist is gearing up for a RAF / Baader-Meinhoff showdown with the state, and not every fascist is planning a Black Brigade bombing. Indeed, one of the interesting things when you look at extreme politics is a division between those who are interested in the politics and philosophy, and those who 'don't talk about the weather'. There is a massive difference between being a Marxist and the Red Army Faction. Similarly, republicanism in Ireland, doesn't mean you're 'IRA'. In 1997, Tony Benn sent 'fraternal greetings' to North Korea's Kim Jong II via the Friends of Korea (a Pythonesque organisation that is even more bonkers than certain HOL posters). Benn also of course described that other mass-murdering lunatic, Mao Tse Tung, as 'the greatest man of the 20th century'. Edited by derben (14 May 2015 2.25pm)
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 14 May 2015 1.15pm

Quote Kermit8 at 13 May 2015 9.16pm

Quote derben at 13 May 2015 9.12pm

Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 9.03pm

Quote derben at 13 May 2015 8.34pm

Quote legaleagle at 13 May 2015 8.19pm

...as opposed to the (by definition)gents on the extreme right,who never turn on/eliminate those they fall out with/perceive as rivals. viz. Hitler's elimination of Ernst Rohm

As Ronnie Reagan once said, "there you go again!"

No history of similar differentiation in the "extreme"right wing camp...NF, BNP, EDL,Britain First, 21st Century Blackshirts,English National Party etc

Edited by legaleagle (13 May 2015 9.05pm)

Edited by derben (13 May 2015 9.14pm)

A puny amount compared to the many right wing (extreme) organisations across the globe who aren't shy about showing off their respect/love/admiration for one A.Hitler.

Are they people who make 'excuses' for North Korea, I've never met any. People from the Communist party seemed to hate them, as did the SWP and socialist party.

Indeed, one of the interesting things when you look at extreme politics is a division between those who are interested in the politics and philosophy, and those who 'don't talk about the weather'.

There is a massive difference between being a Marxist and the Red Army Faction. Similarly, republicanism in Ireland, doesn't mean you're 'IRA'.

In 1997, Tony Benn sent 'fraternal greetings' to North Korea's Kim Jong II via the Friends of Korea (a Pythonesque organisation that is even more bonkers than certain HOL posters). Benn also of course described that other mass-murdering lunatic, Mao Tse Tung, as 'the greatest man of the 20th century'.

Edited by derben (14 May 2015 2.25pm)

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