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johnno42000 14 May 15 6.46pm
Could this be one of the first promises broken? Which would be surprising as the Tories did better, than I think even they believed they would do, in Wales. [Link] 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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14 May 15 6.46pm

Could this be one of the first promises broken? Which would be surprising as the Tories did better, than I think even they believed they would do, in Wales.

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derben 14 May 15 7.07pm
Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.39pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.35pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.29pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.18pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 5.57pm These "New counter-terrorism measures" will inevitably devolve into something that's applied to anything and anyone the government doesn't like. That's what has happened each and every time with this kind of legislation. “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said “This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach". You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you. Under these plans some people will have to get permission from the police before making Facebook posts. It's absurd. Either arrest people for breaking the law or let them be. It's already stupid enough that mildly offensive drunken tweets end up becoming criminal matters on account that someone is mildy 'offended'. Apparently you're all for that though. I thought you were for small government. I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up. Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm) As stated, whether under Labour or Conservatives all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime. You know this. Whether you care about that is you for. It's really about having more control over the population in general, Mr small government. Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm) Well of course I don't accept that "all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime." It is simply nonsense to say it. Quite funny that you hate governments but you want more state control of business and membership of the control freak EU.
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14 May 15 7.07pm

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These "New counter-terrorism measures" will inevitably devolve into something that's applied to anything and anyone the government doesn't like. That's what has happened each and every time with this kind of legislation.

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach".

You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you.

Under these plans some people will have to get permission from the police before making Facebook posts. It's absurd. Either arrest people for breaking the law or let them be. It's already stupid enough that mildly offensive drunken tweets end up becoming criminal matters on account that someone is mildy 'offended'. Apparently you're all for that though. I thought you were for small government.

I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up.

Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm)

As stated, whether under Labour or Conservatives all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime. You know this. Whether you care about that is you for. It's really about having more control over the population in general, Mr small government.

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Well of course I don't accept that "all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime." It is simply nonsense to say it.
Quite funny that you hate governments but you want more state control of business and membership of the control freak EU.

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TUX redhill 14 May 15 7.17pm
Quote derben at 14 May 2015 7.07pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.39pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.35pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.29pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.18pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 5.57pm These "New counter-terrorism measures" will inevitably devolve into something that's applied to anything and anyone the government doesn't like. That's what has happened each and every time with this kind of legislation. “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said “This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach". You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you. Under these plans some people will have to get permission from the police before making Facebook posts. It's absurd. Either arrest people for breaking the law or let them be. It's already stupid enough that mildly offensive drunken tweets end up becoming criminal matters on account that someone is mildy 'offended'. Apparently you're all for that though. I thought you were for small government. I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up. Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm) As stated, whether under Labour or Conservatives all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime. You know this. Whether you care about that is you for. It's really about having more control over the population in general, Mr small government. Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm) Well of course I don't accept that "all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime." It is simply nonsense to say it. Quite funny that you hate governments but you want more state control of business and membership of the control freak EU. The 'perfect citizen' who questions nothing and believes everything he's fed. Job done.
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“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach".

You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you.

I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up.

Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm)

Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm)

The 'perfect citizen' who questions nothing and believes everything he's fed.
Job done.

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imbored UK 14 May 15 7.21pm
Quote derben at 14 May 2015 7.07pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.39pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.35pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.29pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.18pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 5.57pm These "New counter-terrorism measures" will inevitably devolve into something that's applied to anything and anyone the government doesn't like. That's what has happened each and every time with this kind of legislation. “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said “This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach". You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you. Under these plans some people will have to get permission from the police before making Facebook posts. It's absurd. Either arrest people for breaking the law or let them be. It's already stupid enough that mildly offensive drunken tweets end up becoming criminal matters on account that someone is mildy 'offended'. Apparently you're all for that though. I thought you were for small government. I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up. Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm) As stated, whether under Labour or Conservatives all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime. You know this. Whether you care about that is you for. It's really about having more control over the population in general, Mr small government. Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm) Well of course I don't accept that "all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime." It is simply nonsense to say it. Quite funny that you hate governments but you want more state control of business and membership of the control freak EU. It's a statement of fact, not a suggestion. It was happened multiple times previously. As for the EU, I'm not fussed either way. In fact I posted about an hour ago, of how warped and biased I imagined the campaign to force us to stay will be. It should be for the people to decide it won't be, just as it won't be with these looming 'corporate coup' type trade agreements, but you're happy in your bubble so what does it matter to you. Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 7.23pm)
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“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach".

You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you.

I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up.

Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm)

Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm)

It's a statement of fact, not a suggestion. It was happened multiple times previously.

As for the EU, I'm not fussed either way. In fact I posted about an hour ago, of how warped and biased I imagined the campaign to force us to stay will be. It should be for the people to decide it won't be, just as it won't be with these looming 'corporate coup' type trade agreements, but you're happy in your bubble so what does it matter to you.

Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 7.23pm)

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Stuk Top half 14 May 15 7.24pm
Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.46pm Could this be one of the first promises broken? Which would be surprising as the Tories did better, than I think even they believed they would do, in Wales. [Link] It's only been a week, give them the other 3 months amd we'll see. Optimistic as ever
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Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.46pm

Could this be one of the first promises broken? Which would be surprising as the Tories did better, than I think even they believed they would do, in Wales.

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It's only been a week, give them the other 3 months amd we'll see.

Optimistic as ever

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 May 15 7.35pm
Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 May 15 7.35pm

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Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

"Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"...............
The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ?????

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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johnno42000 14 May 15 7.42pm
Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? 'Most probably' and where is the proof for that? 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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14 May 15 7.42pm

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Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm

[Link]

Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

'Most probably' and where is the proof for that?

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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Rubin 14 May 15 8.36pm
Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? 'Most probably' and where is the proof for that? No proof, but they're not just going to throw out a family who are entitled to public housing because their flat is getting demolished, and not offer them somewhere else.
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14 May 15 8.36pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm

Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm

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[Link]

Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

'Most probably' and where is the proof for that?

No proof, but they're not just going to throw out a family who are entitled to public housing because their flat is getting demolished, and not offer them somewhere else.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 May 15 8.38pm
Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? 'Most probably' and where is the proof for that? on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 14 May 15 8.38pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm

Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm

[Link]

Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

'Most probably' and where is the proof for that?

on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 May 15 8.45pm
Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 8.38pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? 'Most probably' and where is the proof for that? on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine! Sorry, but 'The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ?????' isn't in the caption. Attachment: guardian rent pic.jpg (364.62Kb)
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Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm

Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm

[Link]

Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

'Most probably' and where is the proof for that?

on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine!

Sorry, but 'The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ?????' isn't in the caption.

Attachment: guardian rent pic.jpg (364.62Kb)

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johnno42000 14 May 15 8.46pm
Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 8.38pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm [Link] Just look what you've done. I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link: "Police walk past as activists from Housing Action Southwark and Lambeth resist a family’s eviction from a flat in an estate in south London that had been marked for demolition"............... The family most probably have been offered elsewhere to live but cannot be arsed to move and has nothing to do with cannot afford their rent ????? 'Most probably' and where is the proof for that? on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine! I can't see anywhere that says they have been offered elsewhere to live? 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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14 May 15 8.46pm

Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 8.38pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 7.42pm

Quote susmik at 14 May 2015 7.35pm

Quote johnno42000 at 14 May 2015 6.25pm

[Link]

Just look what you've done.

I notice the caption underneath the picture on your link:

'Most probably' and where is the proof for that?

on YOUR link under the picture.....Not from me sunshine!

I can't see anywhere that says they have been offered elsewhere to live?

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 14 May 15 10.16pm
Quote TUX at 14 May 2015 7.17pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 7.07pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.39pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.35pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 6.29pm Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.18pm Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 5.57pm These "New counter-terrorism measures" will inevitably devolve into something that's applied to anything and anyone the government doesn't like. That's what has happened each and every time with this kind of legislation. “For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said “This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach". You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you. Under these plans some people will have to get permission from the police before making Facebook posts. It's absurd. Either arrest people for breaking the law or let them be. It's already stupid enough that mildly offensive drunken tweets end up becoming criminal matters on account that someone is mildy 'offended'. Apparently you're all for that though. I thought you were for small government. I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up. Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm) As stated, whether under Labour or Conservatives all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime. You know this. Whether you care about that is you for. It's really about having more control over the population in general, Mr small government. Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm) Well of course I don't accept that "all of these expansive new laws end up getting widened and used for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or crime." It is simply nonsense to say it. Quite funny that you hate governments but you want more state control of business and membership of the control freak EU. The 'perfect citizen' who questions nothing and believes everything he's fed. Job done. Ignorance is bliss
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Quote TUX at 14 May 2015 7.17pm

Quote derben at 14 May 2015 7.07pm

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Quote derben at 14 May 2015 6.18pm

Quote imbored at 14 May 2015 5.57pm

“For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone',” Cameron said

“This government will conclusively turn the page on this failed approach".

You must be really worried that they will be knocking on your door - a fearless critic of the government like you.

I am for less government. I just think it funny that you make out we are becoming some sort of Stalinist police state when they are just trying to stop people blowing us up.

Edited by derben (14 May 2015 6.35pm)

Edited by imbored (14 May 2015 6.45pm)

The 'perfect citizen' who questions nothing and believes everything he's fed.
Job done.

Ignorance is bliss

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