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Hoof Hearted 20 May 15 4.31pm
Quote serial thriller at 20 May 2015 11.54am Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 May 2015 11.17am Labour and their left leaning supporters will continue to "weaponise" the NHS to undermine the government whilst in opposition. Unions will strike at the drop of a hat. Class War activists will continue to play dirty. Same old same old. I hate that word. All that the left are doing is putting forward their ideological position in which they believe public healthcare to be socially valuable. The Tories have sold off billion pound contracts to incredibly disreputable firms while speaking a good game in front of the cameras. They are hypocrites, and thus their opponents have every right to fight them step for step. 'The left' are 'weaponising' anything, they're standing up for what they believe in. I hate the term "Bedroom Tax", but you lot keep using it... the same with calling the Conservatives "Tories" like it's an insult. Give further details/proof of these billion pound contracts sold to incredibly disreputable firms and I might be able to comment. As far as I remember Labour were the first to privatise parts of the NHS.
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Quote serial thriller at 20 May 2015 11.54am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 May 2015 11.17am

Labour and their left leaning supporters will continue to "weaponise" the NHS to undermine the government whilst in opposition.

Unions will strike at the drop of a hat.

Class War activists will continue to play dirty.

Same old same old.

I hate that word.

All that the left are doing is putting forward their ideological position in which they believe public healthcare to be socially valuable. The Tories have sold off billion pound contracts to incredibly disreputable firms while speaking a good game in front of the cameras. They are hypocrites, and thus their opponents have every right to fight them step for step. 'The left' are 'weaponising' anything, they're standing up for what they believe in.

I hate the term "Bedroom Tax", but you lot keep using it... the same with calling the Conservatives "Tories" like it's an insult.

Give further details/proof of these billion pound contracts sold to incredibly disreputable firms and I might be able to comment.

As far as I remember Labour were the first to privatise parts of the NHS.

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Mapletree Croydon 21 May 15 2.52am
I hate the term "Bedroom Tax", but you lot keep using it... the same with calling the Conservatives "Tories" like it's an insult. Give further details/proof of these billion pound contracts sold to incredibly disreputable firms and I might be able to comment. As far as I remember Labour were the first to privatise parts of the NHS. ----------------------------------------- Erm: Tory, an insult, derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí — outlaw, robber, from the Irish word tóir, meaning 'pursuit', since outlaws were "pursued men".
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Mapletree

Croydon 21 May 15 2.52am

I hate the term "Bedroom Tax", but you lot keep using it... the same with calling the Conservatives "Tories" like it's an insult.
Give further details/proof of these billion pound contracts sold to incredibly disreputable firms and I might be able to comment.

As far as I remember Labour were the first to privatise parts of the NHS.

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Erm:

Tory, an insult, derived from the Middle Irish word tóraidhe, modern Irish tóraí — outlaw, robber, from the Irish word tóir, meaning 'pursuit', since outlaws were "pursued men".

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jul 15 11.38am
[Link] The first steps to an insurance based system?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jul 15 12.00pm
Quote serial thriller at 20 May 2015 11.54am Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 May 2015 11.17am Labour and their left leaning supporters will continue to "weaponise" the NHS to undermine the government whilst in opposition. Unions will strike at the drop of a hat. Class War activists will continue to play dirty. Same old same old. I hate that word. All that the left are doing is putting forward their ideological position in which they believe public healthcare to be socially valuable. The Tories have sold off billion pound contracts to incredibly disreputable firms while speaking a good game in front of the cameras. They are hypocrites, and thus their opponents have every right to fight them step for step. 'The left' are 'weaponising' anything, they're standing up for what they believe in. Which is why people don't trust government to privatize the NHS. The whole thing is a s**t show, because Labour weren't any better. The NHS, like Education, are two of the key essential services the UK provides to all its citizens. Both sides are equally guilty of using it as a political weapon. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote serial thriller at 20 May 2015 11.54am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 May 2015 11.17am

Labour and their left leaning supporters will continue to "weaponise" the NHS to undermine the government whilst in opposition.

Unions will strike at the drop of a hat.

Class War activists will continue to play dirty.

Same old same old.

I hate that word.

Which is why people don't trust government to privatize the NHS. The whole thing is a s**t show, because Labour weren't any better. The NHS, like Education, are two of the key essential services the UK provides to all its citizens. Both sides are equally guilty of using it as a political weapon.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Jul 15 12.03pm
Quote Mapletree at 19 May 2015 9.49pm The link provided focuses on six commissioning units. There are actually 211 CCGs, so let's get this into perspective. Health expenditure is around Ł2k per head in England at the moment but is rising quite quickly, along with every other country. That is 9.27% of GDP compared with 16.9% in the USA. The CCGs underspent their budgets by Ł813m last year. The number of people aged 65 and over is projected to increase from 10.84m in 2012 to 17.79m by 2037. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.44 million in 2012 to 3.64 million by 2037. Where the UK falls down in the international leagues is 'healthy lives'. This has been a major focus for some of the involvement of private firms. There is a legal requirement for the CCGs to spend on e.g. smoking cessation, weight control and alcohol management. So, in a nutshell, it's you old b*stards again mortgaging the future of the yoof. And if you are a fat boozy smoker you are opening the door to privatisation. Oh, and Tamasin Cave. I definitely would, lots. If the NHS is going to cost more going forwards into the future, then maybe we shouldn't be reducing taxation and Treasury revenue sources etc. I'd be surprised if people would object to paying more taxation for a better NHS service. Socially speaking Education and Health Services are key infrastructure services that almost everyone will have used or need at some point. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Mapletree at 19 May 2015 9.49pm

The link provided focuses on six commissioning units. There are actually 211 CCGs, so let's get this into perspective.

Health expenditure is around Ł2k per head in England at the moment but is rising quite quickly, along with every other country. That is 9.27% of GDP compared with 16.9% in the USA. The CCGs underspent their budgets by Ł813m last year.

The number of people aged 65 and over is projected to increase from 10.84m in 2012 to 17.79m by 2037. As part of this growth, the number of over-85s is estimated to more than double from 1.44 million in 2012 to 3.64 million by 2037.

Where the UK falls down in the international leagues is 'healthy lives'. This has been a major focus for some of the involvement of private firms. There is a legal requirement for the CCGs to spend on e.g. smoking cessation, weight control and alcohol management.

So, in a nutshell, it's you old b*stards again mortgaging the future of the yoof. And if you are a fat boozy smoker you are opening the door to privatisation.

Oh, and Tamasin Cave. I definitely would, lots.

If the NHS is going to cost more going forwards into the future, then maybe we shouldn't be reducing taxation and Treasury revenue sources etc.

I'd be surprised if people would object to paying more taxation for a better NHS service. Socially speaking Education and Health Services are key infrastructure services that almost everyone will have used or need at some point.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 21 Jul 15 12.16pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 May 2015 9.41am NHS outsourcing certain treatments and practices makes sense, where maintaining such services wouldn't be cost effective, which may be very rational when dealing with certain specialisation's and rare problems/conditions. Provided the standard of care and service doesn't drop. Friend of mine has a rare as f**k disorder (there are something like 50-60 documented cases in history). Having a specialist in her condition on the payroll doesn't really make sense (its better for the NHS to bring in a qualified consultant as required). In fact there are three people in the UK who would qualify as specialists in her condition, and one of them is retired. Is the right answer. The problem is that the NHS is romanticised to such a point that even to suggest they replace the 4 year old copies of Heat Magazine in the waiting room of the STD clinic brings howls of anguish. The NHS does have potential, which makes perfect sense economically and with improved patient care to take some areas into private care. The issue comes unfortunately is that these decisions end up in the hands of politicians - all of whom you simply cannot trust to stay away from their ideological slant with it. The NHS and its control should be removed from political influence. Edited by The Sash (21 Jul 2015 12.17pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 20 May 2015 9.41am

NHS outsourcing certain treatments and practices makes sense, where maintaining such services wouldn't be cost effective, which may be very rational when dealing with certain specialisation's and rare problems/conditions.

Provided the standard of care and service doesn't drop. Friend of mine has a rare as f**k disorder (there are something like 50-60 documented cases in history). Having a specialist in her condition on the payroll doesn't really make sense (its better for the NHS to bring in a qualified consultant as required).

In fact there are three people in the UK who would qualify as specialists in her condition, and one of them is retired.

Is the right answer.

The problem is that the NHS is romanticised to such a point that even to suggest they replace the 4 year old copies of Heat Magazine in the waiting room of the STD clinic brings howls of anguish.

The NHS does have potential, which makes perfect sense economically and with improved patient care to take some areas into private care.

The issue comes unfortunately is that these decisions end up in the hands of politicians - all of whom you simply cannot trust to stay away from their ideological slant with it.

The NHS and its control should be removed from political influence.

Edited by The Sash (21 Jul 2015 12.17pm)

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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nairb75 Baltimore 23 Jul 15 4.12am
you have a taste for privitization? my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing. cost: office visit with doctor = $75 ear drops = $42 my insurance is about average over here. it has a $2600 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid $117 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection. i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!!
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Baltimore 23 Jul 15 4.12am

you have a taste for privitization?

my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing.

cost:

office visit with doctor = $75
ear drops = $42

my insurance is about average over here. it has a $2600 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid $117 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection.

i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!!

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npn Crowborough 23 Jul 15 7.31am
Quote nairb75 at 23 Jul 2015 4.12am you have a taste for privitization? my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing. cost: office visit with doctor = ear drops = my insurance is about average over here. it has a 00 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid 7 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection. i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!! Is that a standard US policy? I'm with AXA PPP, and I pay 20% of all bills up to an annual maximum of (from memory) Ł350, which just means that in years where you have to have significant work done (I've had one op, and one series of neurological tests in recent history) I just take care of all those nagging issues (un-naturally large p****, etc) in the same year, knowing it'll be free.
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Quote nairb75 at 23 Jul 2015 4.12am

you have a taste for privitization?

my 4 yo son had pain in his ear after vacation. wifey got swimmer's ear so figured it was the same thing.

cost:

office visit with doctor =
ear drops =

my insurance is about average over here. it has a 00 deductible, which we haven't met yet. so i paid 7 for a 4 yo's mild ear infection.

i can give any example you want. keep pining for privitizaition- it's great!!!

Is that a standard US policy? I'm with AXA PPP, and I pay 20% of all bills up to an annual maximum of (from memory) Ł350, which just means that in years where you have to have significant work done (I've had one op, and one series of neurological tests in recent history) I just take care of all those nagging issues (un-naturally large p****, etc) in the same year, knowing it'll be free.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 23 Jul 15 7.47am
Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 23 Jul 15 7.47am

Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Jul 15 11.05am
Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Jul 2015 7.47am Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money. I'd go for a French or German style privitisation, which the state generally has leveraged towards being a benefit to the user, whilst returning steady, but low, profits to the private provider. All parties in France, for example, get a return. Unfortunately, the UK would likely go down a more US system, which greatly favours the provider, over the user. The right deal, definitely, I'd accept privitisation, on a model similar to the French. But I don't want a US system. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Jul 2015 7.47am

Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money.

I'd go for a French or German style privitisation, which the state generally has leveraged towards being a benefit to the user, whilst returning steady, but low, profits to the private provider. All parties in France, for example, get a return.

Unfortunately, the UK would likely go down a more US system, which greatly favours the provider, over the user.

The right deal, definitely, I'd accept privitisation, on a model similar to the French. But I don't want a US system.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 23 Jul 15 11.27am
The problem with the NHS is too many chiefs and not enough indians-well I mean red indians, there are plenty of Indian doctors, not that that's a problem as long as they can do the job who cares? The fact is that Labour screwed the NHS, yet still ludicrously claims to be the party of the NHS. Yeah right. More like the party of mass immigration and bovine stupidity.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 23 Jul 15 11.27am

The problem with the NHS is too many chiefs and not enough indians-well I mean red indians, there are plenty of Indian doctors, not that that's a problem as long as they can do the job who cares?
The fact is that Labour screwed the NHS, yet still ludicrously claims to be the party of the NHS. Yeah right. More like the party of mass immigration and bovine stupidity.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 23 Jul 15 11.38am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Jul 2015 11.05am Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Jul 2015 7.47am Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money. I'd go for a French or German style privitisation, which the state generally has leveraged towards being a benefit to the user, whilst returning steady, but low, profits to the private provider. All parties in France, for example, get a return. Unfortunately, the UK would likely go down a more US system, which greatly favours the provider, over the user. The right deal, definitely, I'd accept privitisation, on a model similar to the French. But I don't want a US system. I agree. Italian systems seems to work well too (have had personal experience of it and was impressed). Also agree that we do not want a US style system. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 Jul 2015 11.05am

Quote leggedstruggle at 23 Jul 2015 7.47am

Surely the time has come for everyone to give all of their income and savings to the NHS and they could give us pocket money.

Unfortunately, the UK would likely go down a more US system, which greatly favours the provider, over the user.

The right deal, definitely, I'd accept privitisation, on a model similar to the French. But I don't want a US system.

I agree. Italian systems seems to work well too (have had personal experience of it and was impressed). Also agree that we do not want a US style system.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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