Teachers' union lies about numbers who quit
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 DanH  SW2 26 May 15 3.01pm |
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Quote dannyh at 26 May 2015 2.06pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 26 May 15 5.02pm |
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Quote dannyh at 26 May 2015 2.06pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils
You will note the title of the DoE web page begins competitive salary and great benefits, not a mention of a mouse, Mickey or otherwise. Secondly leave and get a better job if there is one ? No one is forcing her to be teacher and have twelvty million paid holidays a year plus a nice salary. Another food for thought, when your buddies in the teaching profession go on strike, do they stop to think about the cost of childcare for working parents, or those that lose a days pay for having to stay at home. I’m guessing the answer is DILLIGAF. Finally the basic salary of a qualified teacher is according the link £36000 P.A. just as a comparison, how would you like to spend 6 months in a desert getting shot at, constantly going down with Diarrhoea and vomiting due to the sh1thole your working in. Having no time off, working from 0600 until midnight, getting s*** food (when you can eat) and the only contact with friends and family or loved ones is via a dodgy internet connection or sat phone, and all for the princley sum of £21,000 P.A. Because that’s what a Pte soldier in the British Army is paid, so next time your bleating about £36000 a year for sitting in a cushy school office think about it for a while, it’s not so bad is it ? Sorry Hoof just seen your link same as mine, but it makes my piss boil when teachers whinge about working conditions and stuff.
Average starting salasy for a teacher is circa £24K, takes ages to get up to £36K.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 15 5.42pm |
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The salary for Teachers isn't 'so bad', although for the level of qualification required, hours necessary its not great compared to the private sector equivalent. Whilst I respect Dannyh's point, it should of course be borne in mind that Teachers require a minimum of five years further education on top of GCSE qualification, with grades sufficient to achive entry to university and degree level qualification (to teach Primary). To teach secondary and higher you require at least one degree and a PGCE (post-graduate level education). Hours for a good teacher, will easily run in excess of 12 hour days, five days a week during term time. With a similar academic background, going into the army, you'd presumably be looking at Officer Cadet (25k) or 2nd Lieutenant (starting on 30k). With a bonus of up to 4k during your degree (or on completion).
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| Mr Palaceman 26 May 15 5.44pm |
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Likewise, no one forces anyone to join the armed forces. To a man, every person I know who had signed up has done so because they thought of it as a great career despite the pay. In fact pay had nothing to do with it. For me this thread highlights a key problem in our society today. Instead of a nation we have become a divided people, not just by race or religion or rich and poor as its always been but now even by job. Teachers do one of the most important jobs you can do in this country. What is better than teaching someone to do better or be better than they are. At least that's what is supposed to happen. And as for our armed forces, they don't get paid enough but more importantly, they get sent around the world to do the biding of quite frankly piss poor politicians, to get shot at by people who never want them there, whether they a sent to help or not. Then when they get home, they are forgotten by those that sent them. Teachers, soldiers, firemen, police officers, nurses, none of them are exactly living the dream are they. I can't knock any of them as they all do what a lot wouldn't.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 May 15 5.46pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.42pm
The salary for Teachers isn't 'so bad', although for the level of qualification required, hours necessary its not great compared to the private sector equivalent. Whilst I respect Dannyh's point, it should of course be borne in mind that Teachers require a minimum of five years further education on top of GCSE qualification, with grades sufficient to achive entry to university and degree level qualification (to teach Primary). To teach secondary and higher you require at least one degree and a PGCE (post-graduate level education). Hours for a good teacher, will easily run in excess of 12 hour days, five days a week during term time. I know all about the long hours - my wife was a teacher for 35 years and my daughter also entered the profession ! And only being able to go abroad during the school hoilidays when prices are at their highest ! No good bargains during school holidays !
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 15 5.49pm |
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Quote Willo at 26 May 2015 5.46pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.42pm
The salary for Teachers isn't 'so bad', although for the level of qualification required, hours necessary its not great compared to the private sector equivalent. Whilst I respect Dannyh's point, it should of course be borne in mind that Teachers require a minimum of five years further education on top of GCSE qualification, with grades sufficient to achive entry to university and degree level qualification (to teach Primary). To teach secondary and higher you require at least one degree and a PGCE (post-graduate level education). Hours for a good teacher, will easily run in excess of 12 hour days, five days a week during term time. I know all about the long hours - my wife was a teacher for 35 years and my daughter also entered the profession !
My wife is an ex-teacher, she was setting out for work at 6.30am and finishing marking and teaching prep paperwork at between 9pm to midnight.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 26 May 15 5.51pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.49pm
Quote Willo at 26 May 2015 5.46pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.42pm
The salary for Teachers isn't 'so bad', although for the level of qualification required, hours necessary its not great compared to the private sector equivalent. Whilst I respect Dannyh's point, it should of course be borne in mind that Teachers require a minimum of five years further education on top of GCSE qualification, with grades sufficient to achive entry to university and degree level qualification (to teach Primary). To teach secondary and higher you require at least one degree and a PGCE (post-graduate level education). Hours for a good teacher, will easily run in excess of 12 hour days, five days a week during term time. I know all about the long hours - my wife was a teacher for 35 years and my daughter also entered the profession !
My wife is an ex-teacher, she was setting out for work at 6.30am and finishing marking and teaching prep paperwork at between 9pm to midnight. I can quite believe that ! And the plethora of reports to write taking up most of the weekend.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 15 5.53pm |
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Quote Mr Palaceman at 26 May 2015 5.44pm
Likewise, no one forces anyone to join the armed forces. To a man, every person I know who had signed up has done so because they thought of it as a great career despite the pay. In fact pay had nothing to do with it. For me this thread highlights a key problem in our society today. Instead of a nation we have become a divided people, not just by race or religion or rich and poor as its always been but now even by job. Teachers do one of the most important jobs you can do in this country. What is better than teaching someone to do better or be better than they are. At least that's what is supposed to happen. And as for our armed forces, they don't get paid enough but more importantly, they get sent around the world to do the biding of quite frankly piss poor politicians, to get shot at by people who never want them there, whether they a sent to help or not. Then when they get home, they are forgotten by those that sent them. Teachers, soldiers, firemen, police officers, nurses, none of them are exactly living the dream are they. I can't knock any of them as they all do what a lot wouldn't. Depends what you do, its possible to earn a very good living in all of those careers. Its hard work mind, and can be risky. All of them, long term have fairly good prospects for high earning salaries, and quite extensive training budgets - And in four of them, the entry level qualification is very low and training provision very good. Forces pay isn't great but the training and prospects long term historically have been very good (provided you don't get killed or horribly maimed).
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Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
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| Mr Palaceman 26 May 15 11.01pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.53pm
Quote Mr Palaceman at 26 May 2015 5.44pm
Likewise, no one forces anyone to join the armed forces. To a man, every person I know who had signed up has done so because they thought of it as a great career despite the pay. In fact pay had nothing to do with it. For me this thread highlights a key problem in our society today. Instead of a nation we have become a divided people, not just by race or religion or rich and poor as its always been but now even by job. Teachers do one of the most important jobs you can do in this country. What is better than teaching someone to do better or be better than they are. At least that's what is supposed to happen. And as for our armed forces, they don't get paid enough but more importantly, they get sent around the world to do the biding of quite frankly piss poor politicians, to get shot at by people who never want them there, whether they a sent to help or not. Then when they get home, they are forgotten by those that sent them. Teachers, soldiers, firemen, police officers, nurses, none of them are exactly living the dream are they. I can't knock any of them as they all do what a lot wouldn't. Depends what you do, its possible to earn a very good living in all of those careers. Its hard work mind, and can be risky. All of them, long term have fairly good prospects for high earning salaries, and quite extensive training budgets - And in four of them, the entry level qualification is very low and training provision very good. Forces pay isn't great but the training and prospects long term historically have been very good (provided you don't get killed or horribly maimed). You make a good point but as you say it's hard work and in my book hard work should mean you get a good wage. Also, you have to put in the years, which needs a high level of dedication and commitment. I can't knock any of those professions.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 May 15 11.32pm |
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Quote Mr Palaceman at 26 May 2015 11.01pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 26 May 2015 5.53pm
Quote Mr Palaceman at 26 May 2015 5.44pm
Likewise, no one forces anyone to join the armed forces. To a man, every person I know who had signed up has done so because they thought of it as a great career despite the pay. In fact pay had nothing to do with it. For me this thread highlights a key problem in our society today. Instead of a nation we have become a divided people, not just by race or religion or rich and poor as its always been but now even by job. Teachers do one of the most important jobs you can do in this country. What is better than teaching someone to do better or be better than they are. At least that's what is supposed to happen. And as for our armed forces, they don't get paid enough but more importantly, they get sent around the world to do the biding of quite frankly piss poor politicians, to get shot at by people who never want them there, whether they a sent to help or not. Then when they get home, they are forgotten by those that sent them. Teachers, soldiers, firemen, police officers, nurses, none of them are exactly living the dream are they. I can't knock any of them as they all do what a lot wouldn't. Depends what you do, its possible to earn a very good living in all of those careers. Its hard work mind, and can be risky. All of them, long term have fairly good prospects for high earning salaries, and quite extensive training budgets - And in four of them, the entry level qualification is very low and training provision very good. Forces pay isn't great but the training and prospects long term historically have been very good (provided you don't get killed or horribly maimed). You make a good point but as you say it's hard work and in my book hard work should mean you get a good wage. Also, you have to put in the years, which needs a high level of dedication and commitment. I can't knock any of those professions. Fortunately, for me at least, that isn't true. I've not done any real hard proper work in a long time now. A few occasional late nights, one or two tight deadlines, but in my experience, generally the harder the work, the less the job actually pays.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 15 12.29am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 26 May 2015 10.30pm
Quote hookoffthejab at 25 May 2015 9.37pm
My wife has been a teacher for 15 years. I also know a lot of teachers socially. A full time teacher is working probably in excess of 50 hours per week for a Mickey Mouse salary. The issue is not really how many teachers may or may not be leaving but how many are off with stress. In my experience teachers don't actually moan that much but they have more reason to complain than bankers bleating about bonus caps. If teachers go on strike I'll be on the picket line with them and not just for my wife's sake but also the sake if her pupils Please explain how teachers striking for better pay benefits the pupils. I don't actually have too big a problem with unionised professions going on strike. But I find it galling when they then pretend it's somehow for a 'greater good'. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. P.s. Do you have any figures for the number of teachers off with stress? Real ones, that is, not ones made up by unions to make the problem look worse than it is. Edited by Johnny Eagles (26 May 2015 10.33pm)
I can tell you that lots and lots of teachers have days off due to stress......I know I probably should have had last week off due to sickness but I pushed through it because it was year 13's last week. Plenty of teachers go off on stress.....Anyone in the profession knows that.....I don't someone producing stats to know what really happens.
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