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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 15 12.47pm
Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will. Not me. I find people like me largely rather boring. If you had met me I am sure you would understand... I have come to enjoy the interesting mix of people in the world. But then I do put in a bit of work to understand them.
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Croydon 03 Jun 15 12.47pm

Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm

People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will.

Not me. I find people like me largely rather boring. If you had met me I am sure you would understand...

I have come to enjoy the interesting mix of people in the world. But then I do put in a bit of work to understand them.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 03 Jun 15 12.48pm
The answer to the question depends on how you define 'racist'. (I think we covered this in the diversity thread). Akala was careful to say that prejudice held by individuals (which is how most people would define it) was only part of it. He was attaching the label to much large, structural things. He would (presumably) say that the face that most of, say, parliament and the judiciary is white is "racist". I'd say that turns the word "racist" into an all-embracing label, covering history, economics, anthropology and biology, and denudes it of any meaning. But then I'm a right-wing, white male so anything I say is automatically racist anyway. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 03 Jun 15 12.48pm

The answer to the question depends on how you define 'racist'.

(I think we covered this in the diversity thread).

Akala was careful to say that prejudice held by individuals (which is how most people would define it) was only part of it.

He was attaching the label to much large, structural things. He would (presumably) say that the face that most of, say, parliament and the judiciary is white is "racist". I'd say that turns the word "racist" into an all-embracing label, covering history, economics, anthropology and biology, and denudes it of any meaning.

But then I'm a right-wing, white male so anything I say is automatically racist anyway.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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DanH SW2 03 Jun 15 12.50pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm I mentioned it here. [Link] My 2p worth again: By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'? Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist) Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end? It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes. Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out. Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke.
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SW2 03 Jun 15 12.50pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm

I mentioned it here.

[Link]

My 2p worth again:

By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'?

Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist)

Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end?

It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes.

Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.

Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Jun 15 12.51pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.48pm The answer to the question depends on how you define 'racist'. (I think we covered this in the diversity thread). Akala was careful to say that prejudice held by individuals (which is how most people would define it) was only part of it. He was attaching the label to much large, structural things. He would (presumably) say that the face that most of, say, parliament and the judiciary is white is "racist". I'd say that turns the word "racist" into an all-embracing label, covering history, economics, anthropology and biology, and denudes it of any meaning. But then I'm a right-wing, white male so anything I say is automatically racist anyway. You live in Hanover, so presumably you don't choose to live with 'people like you'. Or are you a German that has an exceptional grasp of the English idiom?
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Mapletree

Croydon 03 Jun 15 12.51pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.48pm

The answer to the question depends on how you define 'racist'.

(I think we covered this in the diversity thread).

Akala was careful to say that prejudice held by individuals (which is how most people would define it) was only part of it.

But then I'm a right-wing, white male so anything I say is automatically racist anyway.

You live in Hanover, so presumably you don't choose to live with 'people like you'. Or are you a German that has an exceptional grasp of the English idiom?

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derben 03 Jun 15 12.51pm
Quote Mapletree at 03 Jun 2015 12.47pm Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will. Not me. I find people like me largely rather boring. If you had met me I am sure you would understand... I have come to enjoy the interesting mix of people in the world. But then I do put in a bit of work to understand them. Of course it is a generalisation and we can find many contrary examples. However, I think it holds true for the majority of people, hence enclaves in most mixed areas.
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03 Jun 15 12.51pm

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Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm

People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will.

Not me. I find people like me largely rather boring. If you had met me I am sure you would understand...

I have come to enjoy the interesting mix of people in the world. But then I do put in a bit of work to understand them.

Of course it is a generalisation and we can find many contrary examples. However, I think it holds true for the majority of people, hence enclaves in most mixed areas.

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Mr Fenandes 03 Jun 15 12.52pm
Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will. Eastern European women. Scandinavian women. Not the same religion, culture or language. Makes absolutely no odds to the fact that 90% of them are outrageously attractive. If you want to let the aforementioned list restrict you from those potential delights, you're seriously missing out. Check out our Croydon-based football comedy series 'Road to F.A. Cup'! All episodes available FREE here: [Link]
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03 Jun 15 12.52pm

Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm

People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will.

Eastern European women. Scandinavian women. Not the same religion, culture or language. Makes absolutely no odds to the fact that 90% of them are outrageously attractive. If you want to let the aforementioned list restrict you from those potential delights, you're seriously missing out.

Check out our Croydon-based football comedy series 'Road to F.A. Cup'!
All episodes available FREE here: [Link]

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 03 Jun 15 12.52pm
Good clip and Akala made some very good points. Particularly the one about prejudice. A lot of people in this country are prejudice, once you get outside of the major towns and cities there is for want of a better word, a suspicion. Most people won't even be aware. I grew up in Wales in the late 60s & 70s. Until I left Wales I had only known 1 mixed race person. There were a few boat people from about 1980 who people didn't quite know what to do / how to relate to. I was racially prejudiced, I didn't know it at the time and I was also homophobic, a combination of my environment and the way the media was then conditioned me without me realising. Though funnily enough I'd go to Two Tone concerts and Northern Soul nights but I didn't make the connection. The point I'm trying to make is that it is subconscious and most people would deny being prejudiced. It struck me when I moved to Tooting and I began to question my thoughts and feelings. On the whole I think that the UK is a very tolerant society, far from perfect but better than most. As Grace Jones once said: Anyone who thinks Britain is racist should try living in Paris! the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 03 Jun 15 12.52pm

Good clip and Akala made some very good points.

Particularly the one about prejudice. A lot of people in this country are prejudice, once you get outside of the major towns and cities there is for want of a better word, a suspicion.

Most people won't even be aware. I grew up in Wales in the late 60s & 70s. Until I left Wales I had only known 1 mixed race person. There were a few boat people from about 1980 who people didn't quite know what to do / how to relate to.

I was racially prejudiced, I didn't know it at the time and I was also homophobic, a combination of my environment and the way the media was then conditioned me without me realising. Though funnily enough I'd go to Two Tone concerts and Northern Soul nights but I didn't make the connection.

The point I'm trying to make is that it is subconscious and most people would deny being prejudiced. It struck me when I moved to Tooting and I began to question my thoughts and feelings.

On the whole I think that the UK is a very tolerant society, far from perfect but better than most. As Grace Jones once said: Anyone who thinks Britain is racist should try living in Paris!

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Jun 15 12.54pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm I mentioned it here. [Link] My 2p worth again: By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'? Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist) Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end? It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes. Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out. I totally disagree. I think it was very satirical, attempting to illuminate social and political hypocrisies in much the same way that Private Eye does, and indeed Hislop often does without humour on HIGNFY. I'm amazed it was on the BBC, but then I'm amazed Frankie Boyle, a fairly well known anarchist, is given his own show on the Beeb when he wears his political leanings very much on his chest. I actually found it pretty hilarious to be honest: not the content, but the audience's stunned and confused reaction. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm

I mentioned it here.

[Link]

My 2p worth again:

By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'?

Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end?

Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.

I totally disagree. I think it was very satirical, attempting to illuminate social and political hypocrisies in much the same way that Private Eye does, and indeed Hislop often does without humour on HIGNFY. I'm amazed it was on the BBC, but then I'm amazed Frankie Boyle, a fairly well known anarchist, is given his own show on the Beeb when he wears his political leanings very much on his chest.

I actually found it pretty hilarious to be honest: not the content, but the audience's stunned and confused reaction.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jun 15 12.54pm
Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will. Language maybe, but I only speak one language, so that's actually down to my own limitations (my wife speaks several, and as a result has a better social capacity as a result). People generally like to stick to 'their own' because they're scared of difference and change, rather than embracing interesting or different ideas. People get mired into a way of thinking, and that their ideas are 'true' rather than just ideas. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 03 Jun 15 12.54pm

Quote derben at 03 Jun 2015 12.34pm

People prefer to live with people who share the same language, racial characteristics, religion and culture. Always have and always will.

Language maybe, but I only speak one language, so that's actually down to my own limitations (my wife speaks several, and as a result has a better social capacity as a result).

People generally like to stick to 'their own' because they're scared of difference and change, rather than embracing interesting or different ideas. People get mired into a way of thinking, and that their ideas are 'true' rather than just ideas.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Steptoe 03 Jun 15 12.54pm
It's human nature to be somewhat tribal along various lines and those lines shift over time. It's also human nature to cooperate, to empathise, to relate. Over the top prejudice reveals a deficit of those qualities. Lots of perceived differences are very much overblown. That said I'm not sure that Frankie Boyle is the ideal person to be preaching to people about how to treat others. Edited by Steptoe (03 Jun 2015 1.01pm)
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03 Jun 15 12.54pm

It's human nature to be somewhat tribal along various lines and those lines shift over time. It's also human nature to cooperate, to empathise, to relate. Over the top prejudice reveals a deficit of those qualities. Lots of perceived differences are very much overblown.

That said I'm not sure that Frankie Boyle is the ideal person to be preaching to people about how to treat others.

Edited by Steptoe (03 Jun 2015 1.01pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 03 Jun 15 12.55pm
Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 12.50pm Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm I mentioned it here. [Link] My 2p worth again: By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'? Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist) Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end? It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes. Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out. Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke. It's a great take on Racism [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 03 Jun 15 12.55pm

Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 12.50pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm

I mentioned it here.

[Link]

My 2p worth again:

By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'?

Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end?

Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.

Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke.

It's a great take on Racism [Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Jun 15 12.56pm
Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 03 Jun 15 12.56pm

Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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