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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm

Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.


My tuppence worth...

We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa.

We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'.

The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.


This was my point earlier.

IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you:

1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?)
2. turn "racist" into an almost meaningless word

?

These days it is a meaningless word, along with 'rights'.

 

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No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...

I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man



Tbf I've seen the mobile phone evidence and the bouncer did admit it was because they were black. Seemed like nice enough lads.

 


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Britain is one of the most tolerant countries in the world and I am sick to death of people saying it is otherwise.


Very tolerant.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm

Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.


My tuppence worth...

We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa.

We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'.

The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.


This was my point earlier.

IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you:

1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?)
2. turn "racist" into an almost meaningless word

?

Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm

Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.


My tuppence worth...

We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa.

We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'.

The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.


This was my point earlier.

IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you:

1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?)
2. turn "racist" into an almost meaningless word

?

Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted



Racist.

 

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Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm

I mentioned it here.

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My 2p worth again:

By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'?

Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist)

Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end?

It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes.

Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.


Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke.


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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 03 Jun 2015 12.55pm

Quote DanH at 03 Jun 2015 12.50pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 03 Jun 2015 12.45pm

I mentioned it here.

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My 2p worth again:

By the way, did anyone watch 'Frankie Boyle's Election Autopsy'?

Like a lot of BBC comedy it was a bit hit and miss. Clearly the comedians were a bit leftist, anti-UKIP but I don't mind that too much. It's irreverent and anti-politics, although interesting how BBC 'satire' follows EXACTLY the same pattern regardless of channel or programme (Cameron is posh, Miliband useless, Clegg a traitor, Farage a racist)

Anyway, did anyone see the monologue about supposedly 'racist to the core' Britain by the rapper guy at the end?

It was undoubtedly eloquent and interesting and it was quite well-informed. But it was NOT comedy or satire. It was a bald political statement and went completely unchallenged for a good six or seven minutes.

Whether you agree or disagree, it is desperately poor standards from a supposedly impartial broadcaster and I was pretty shocked the BBC put it out.


Was it Doc Brown per chance? If so he's a Palace fan and a top bloke.


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Is that the same thing Johnny is talking about? If so then he has had a huge 'whoooooooooosh' moment.

It was in response to your Doc Brown comment and the theme of racism

 


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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm

No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...

I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man



Tbf I've seen the mobile phone evidence and the bouncer did admit it was because they were black. Seemed like nice enough lads.


But they have extrapolated that one case in to every refusal of a black person to a nightclub, in every part of the country.

 


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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm

No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...

I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man



Tbf I've seen the mobile phone evidence and the bouncer did admit it was because they were black. Seemed like nice enough lads.


But they have extrapolated that one case in to every refusal of a black person to a nightclub, in every part of the country.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion.

What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.


 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Jun 2015 12.56pm

Britain isn't a racist country. There are some people within the UK that are racist, but that's not a country - You'll find small narrow minded hateful people in most countries.


My tuppence worth...

We are complicit in suffering, be it Chinese workers who make ur electronics, the bombing of Libya influencing the price of our oil, even the repression of local farmers in South America so our middle classes can eat quinoa.

We relieve ourselves of guilt in many ways. We point to everyone else doing likewise, the improvements being made in helping these people. But a fundamental justification for our actions remains an idea of racial or national dominance which is pervasive in our very language and customs. Look at how the government are currently promoting 'British values' in schools, whatever they are. Look at the willing ignorance of Islamic culture and its infinite diversity, yet the widespread belief that Islam promotes hatred/extremism. Look at the reaction to the London riots, with even one of our most prominent historians on national television claiming it was due to 'white people becoming black'.

The results of this underlying racial understanding is clear for all to see (look at the police's stop and search numbers, the colour of British prisons etc.), but the idea that Britain remains a country which is built upon racism is far more difficult.


This was my point earlier.

IF you take all the world ills, from poverty to war to injustice, and then say they are down to "racism" don't you:

1. oversimplify the world's problems (I think economics, history and culture play a bit of a role too, don't you?)
2. turn "racist" into an almost meaningless word

?

Its certainly a word / description that has become diluted



Racist.

God - 2 terms as Grand Fleagle of the Forest Hill chapter of the KKK and you get called a racist...Let it go already

 


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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm

No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...

I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man



Tbf I've seen the mobile phone evidence and the bouncer did admit it was because they were black. Seemed like nice enough lads.


But they have extrapolated that one case in to every refusal of a black person to a nightclub, in every part of the country.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion.

What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.



Nor would I, but lets not make out like it's every club or bar's standard policy.

Anytime I thought the door staff deliberately being dicks I just went elsewhere. They can't be idiots and still receive your custom. Well, not mine.

 


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Quote Stuk at 03 Jun 2015 1.13pm

No, it's not.

A saw a story earlier with some black men (including someone from The Voice that i've never watched, but that somehow lends credibility to the assumption) complaining about being refused entry to nightclubs because, in their opinion, of their skin colour.

I must've looked black a few times when I was younger if that's the case...

I saw that earlier and did smirk - If I had a pound for everywhere I have been refused entry to I would be a pretty rich man



Tbf I've seen the mobile phone evidence and the bouncer did admit it was because they were black. Seemed like nice enough lads.


But they have extrapolated that one case in to every refusal of a black person to a nightclub, in every part of the country.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that black people might find it difficult to get into certain nightclubs, certainly I'm pretty sure that in certain parts of the country there are venues where being white might be grounds for exclusion.

What we all need to do, is avoid these places at all costs.



Nor would I, but lets not make out like it's every club or bar's standard policy.

Anytime I thought the door staff deliberately being dicks I just went elsewhere. They can't be idiots and still receive your custom. Well, not mine.


Personally, I have never been allowed into a club when in blackface, whereas usually I have no problems.

This proves the whole racism thing.

 


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