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Imam Farooq Yunus, of the Zakaria Mosque in Savile Town, where the boys attended religious school, said they had been let down by the system. He said: “I think we have failed. Not just the people in here – the whole system - the council, the police, the community. The society have failed these two children and somehow we should put things in place where if they do feel strongly, they know what to do. “The fault lies in the wider community where we are not engaging with them.”

This is what is called 'the narrative' these days. These young men attended a religious school, ie: Islamic school where they no doubt received guidance in how to live the life of a peace loving, tolerant and progressive Muslim. Yet it is apparently the fault of the council, the police and 'the wider community (ie: non-Muslims) that they became homicidal maniacs. Of course, when people such as the teachers, police and 'the wider community' try to stop Islamic indoctrination they are branded as Anti-Islam racists.

Meanwhile the wonderful concept of multi-culturalism carries on regardless, ensuring that the UK is split into a plethora of separate 'communities' which are largely closed to each other and which each have different and conflicting views of how we should live. These two terrorists came from a community which is devoted to an ideology which demands that all who are born into it cannot abandon it and must obey it and propagate it wherever they go, against this, the 'wider community' is an irrelevance.

Edited by derben (15 Jun 2015 2.44pm)

These are such easy statements to make aren't they?

The question to throw back at this obvious imbecile are quite simply 'HOW have the council, police, community and society 'failed' them ?

...or are you just a f~*cking apologist'

Firstly, what are the council supposed to do?

Secondly, the police would be accused of institutional racism if they got involved.

Thirdly, how are the 'wider community' supposed to help when the immediate community do not integrate?

Perhaps the mosque should take a closer look at themselves rather than blame every other c*nt for their students deciding to travel thousands of miles to grow a beard & blow up a building.


It wasn't even a very good beard either was it SE ??

Very patchy. The seventy two virgins will not be impressed with the wispy chin pubes.

Blowing yourself up is going to toast whatever hair you did have in the process. All that time looking like a beardy dick and you get to (wherever the f*** they think they go) bald as a coot.

 


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derben Flag 15 Jun 15 5.21pm

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One less ISIS traitor to worry about. No sympathy from me. We should grow some backbone, give ISIS their wish and wipe them out, just like the dinosaurs.

Edited by Alexi_the_Eagle (14 Jun 2015 9.11pm)


Sadly that isn't possible without killing many thousands of innocents. That's where we fundamentally differ from these monsters.

Understandable, but how long must we stand idly by and watch ISIS desecrate innocent lives with their oppressive regime? Our government has every opportunity to wipe them out, yet they do nothing. Some country we're turning out to be when ISIS is spreading like a cancer that needs to be cut from the world's heart before it's too late.

And how exactly will we wipe out an idea. IS has replaced Al-Qaeda as the primary attractor of Islamic extremists? Its not a conflict that easily won, when you don't know who the enemy actually is, where they are and cannot be intimidated by you.


True nuff...

The problem is they are not any easily identifiable target - life was so much easier when the enemy wore snazzy Hugo Boss designed uniforms with skulls and swastikas on them..

We do know 'where' they are 'kinda'...but unless we are prepared to carpet bomb huge swathes of innocents alongside them in pursuit of these dark age murdering sexually repressed rapists and lowlives then you haven't got much chance...

And if we did, we'd end up alienating even more people and driving them into the arms of IS.


Another problem is that the Koran says: [5.33] "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."

Mind you, they try to do this to us anyway, so might as well get our retaliation in first.

 

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derben Flag 16 Jun 15 6.32am


Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

 

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

Who are these apologists you speak of?

 

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derben Flag 16 Jun 15 12.47pm

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

Who are these apologists you speak of?

The BBC's favorite is Moazaam Begg - of course the BBC in general too. Various Muslim 'community' spokesmen, and many members of the lib/left new establishment. Oh, and the Guardian and the ironically named Independent.

 

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

Turns out that we have one police officer working in Turkey covering people trying to join IS, which seemed a 'bit low' (although presumably their a liaison role), and no one is actually sure where they are, as they went missing after a pilgrimage to Mecca (presumably on a full house), and have been reported missing by their family.

That said they're probably busy catching IS spunk in every orifice by now.

That said, I'm not sure how much use three women and nine kids will prove to be, militarily speaking, although they're travelling without their husbands.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 15 1.22pm

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

Who are these apologists you speak of?

The BBC's favorite is Moazaam Begg - of course the BBC in general too. Various Muslim 'community' spokesmen, and many members of the lib/left new establishment. Oh, and the Guardian and the ironically named Independent.

By apologist, do you mean reporting the facts as known, rather than ranting in a fake moral outrage?


 


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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

The family have complained that the police have been no help at all in tracking down the missing girls, and that it turns out that there is only one British Police officer working in Turkey to identify people going to and from Syria.

Which in fairness sounds a bit sh*t. We'd send more to identify possible hooligans at a international friendly.

 


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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

The family have complained that the police have been no help at all in tracking down the missing girls, and that it turns out that there is only one British Police officer working in Turkey to identify people going to and from Syria.

Which in fairness sounds a bit sh*t. We'd send more to identify possible hooligans at a international friendly.

Bollocks Jamie,its the parents and the so called community leaders who should be doing more.
They are not gonna listen to the very people they oppose.

This is where their wonderful mosque s should be doing more,not the police.

 


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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

The family have complained that the police have been no help at all in tracking down the missing girls, and that it turns out that there is only one British Police officer working in Turkey to identify people going to and from Syria.

Which in fairness sounds a bit sh*t. We'd send more to identify possible hooligans at a international friendly.

Bollocks Jamie,its the parents and the so called community leaders who should be doing more.
They are not gonna listen to the very people they oppose.

This is where their wonderful mosque s should be doing more,not the police.


I'm actually with Jamie on this one - if we had decent levels of police/intelligence over there, we could stop some of these people getting to IS and, hopefully, stop them getting the skills and further brainwashing required to come back home and blow sh*t up.

As an aside, what sort of mother takes young kids to live under such a regime by choice? "Tidy your room and do your homework, or I'll have your hand off"

 

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

The family have complained that the police have been no help at all in tracking down the missing girls, and that it turns out that there is only one British Police officer working in Turkey to identify people going to and from Syria.

Which in fairness sounds a bit sh*t. We'd send more to identify possible hooligans at a international friendly.

Bollocks Jamie,its the parents and the so called community leaders who should be doing more.
They are not gonna listen to the very people they oppose.

This is where their wonderful mosque s should be doing more,not the police.


I'm actually with Jamie on this one - if we had decent levels of police/intelligence over there, we could stop some of these people getting to IS and, hopefully, stop them getting the skills and further brainwashing required to come back home and blow sh*t up.

As an aside, what sort of mother takes young kids to live under such a regime by choice? "Tidy your room and do your homework, or I'll have your hand off"

Ok say we use the intelligence to stop these people going,and say put some sort of banning order from leaving the country.
There would be an absolute outcry over "Human Rights"

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 16 Jun 15 2.55pm

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Now we have three sisters in their 30s who, along with their kids, are off to join the 'brothers' to aid the beheading and burning alive of people.

What excuses are the apologists going to come up with for them? How are they going to blame the 'wider community', police, teachers etc - ie: everyone apart from these people themselves.

The family have complained that the police have been no help at all in tracking down the missing girls, and that it turns out that there is only one British Police officer working in Turkey to identify people going to and from Syria.

Which in fairness sounds a bit sh*t. We'd send more to identify possible hooligans at a international friendly.

Bollocks Jamie,its the parents and the so called community leaders who should be doing more.
They are not gonna listen to the very people they oppose.

This is where their wonderful mosque s should be doing more,not the police.

I'm not really sure they can. I was generally led to believe that missing persons, terrorists, criminals and the like was the role of the police. I don't think it changes because they're Muslim. Also, its kind of important to actually work out where they have gone, even if they've gone to Syria, they have taken 9 British Children with them into a war zone.

I'm not really sure that mosques and family have that kind of capability or resources to find missing people, terror suspects, missing uk citizens or abducted children.

I'm also fairly convinced that one liason officer, who can't be contacted or return calls, because he's too busy shows a really serious level of concern by the UK - Hopefully MI-6 has more than one person working Turkey


 


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