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nickyf 09 Jul 15 10.00pm
guards and buffet staff could loose there jobs as railways want to get rid off buffet cars and train managers. [Link] [Link]
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nickyf 09 Jul 15 10.00pm

guards and buffet staff could loose there jobs
as railways want to get rid off buffet cars
and train managers.

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Hoof Hearted 10 Jul 15 10.49am
Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages.
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Hoof Hearted 10 Jul 15 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 10 Jul 15 11.11am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things

Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Dweeb East London 10 Jul 15 12.40pm
First Great western have the most appalling record on running the GWR. Passengers have been complaining for years about the late running trains, the way First Group use their franchise to ignore passenegers and take as much money as they can from them. Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013
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East London 10 Jul 15 12.40pm

First Great western have the most appalling record on running the GWR. Passengers have been complaining for years about the late running trains, the way First Group use their franchise to ignore passenegers and take as much money as they can from them.

Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Jul 15 1.02pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Sometimes your left wing/socialist views are quite thought provoking. This however is not one of them. Striking is black mail end of chat. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Jul 15 1.02pm

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Sometimes your left wing/socialist views are quite thought provoking. This however is not one of them. Striking is black mail end of chat.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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gambler Kent 10 Jul 15 1.16pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. Laughable. Most people operate the doors properly. However, through stupidity, selfishness, drunkeness, laziness, a sizeable minority cause delays, and also injuries to themselves and others. And remember they don't want to cut the guards to save passengers money, you don't think fares would reduce to reflect the savings do you? It's just to make more profit, which unfortunately for passengers and rail staff alike, is all that the Train Operating Companies are interested in. Safety should be number one priority. It is for the staff, but not for the management.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Laughable.

Most people operate the doors properly. However, through stupidity, selfishness, drunkeness, laziness, a sizeable minority cause delays, and also injuries to themselves and others. And remember they don't want to cut the guards to save passengers money, you don't think fares would reduce to reflect the savings do you? It's just to make more profit, which unfortunately for passengers and rail staff alike, is all that the Train Operating Companies are interested in.

Safety should be number one priority. It is for the staff, but not for the management.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Jul 15 1.20pm
First Great Western is one of the most pitifully poor excuses for a rail service I've ever experienced. They should have been renationalized years ago. If they're going to cuts staff, we should stop subsidizing them. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Jul 15 1.20pm

First Great Western is one of the most pitifully poor excuses for a rail service I've ever experienced. They should have been renationalized years ago.

If they're going to cuts staff, we should stop subsidizing them.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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elgrande bedford 10 Jul 15 2.05pm
I am more on Hoofs side of the political divde in most things. But I have to say that I think the Railways being sold off was a massive f*** up. I think the 2 reasons for it were 1) Maggie stuffing the unions. 2) the cost of getting the infustructure up to something like scratch. The Tories did not want to fork out the billions it is costing. Having said all that I don't know what the answer is. hen I go to selhurst every other week I get on a train from Bedford to St pancras,then underground to London Bridge the NJ. And I have to say 9/10 times it is perfect. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 10 Jul 15 2.05pm

I am more on Hoofs side of the political divde in most things.

But I have to say that I think the Railways being sold off was a massive f*** up.
I think the 2 reasons for it were 1) Maggie stuffing the unions.
2) the cost of getting the infustructure up to something like scratch.
The Tories did not want to fork out the billions it is costing.
Having said all that I don't know what the answer is.
hen I go to selhurst every other week I get on a train from Bedford to St pancras,then underground to London Bridge the NJ.
And I have to say 9/10 times it is perfect.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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twist Miami, Florida 10 Jul 15 8.16pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. I compare that to the airline industry over here, which since 2009 has restructured itself (largely with the help of government money) after the big guys reached the brink of bankruptcy. Layoffs, big changes, new fees, all thought to keep the airlines afloat. Now we have record high fares, and airlines have record profits.
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Miami, Florida 10 Jul 15 8.16pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

I compare that to the airline industry over here, which since 2009 has restructured itself (largely with the help of government money) after the big guys reached the brink of bankruptcy.
Layoffs, big changes, new fees, all thought to keep the airlines afloat.
Now we have record high fares, and airlines have record profits.

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homes New Eltham 11 Jul 15 9.53pm
Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted IH: "I thought Jonny and Wilf were brilliant but it took a 39 year old master to watch the ball and keep his eye on it to finish it".
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New Eltham 11 Jul 15 9.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted

IH: "I thought Jonny and Wilf were brilliant but it took a 39 year old master to watch the ball and keep his eye on it to finish it".

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nickyf 12 Jul 15 9.15am
Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted ------------------------------------------------------- two excellent worded post which show the government have divided the public. privatisation and greed has led to a bad service and instead of improving service and lowering fares,they should be telling the share holders that's your lot they keep the greed going at the cost of staff jobs. Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am)
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nickyf 12 Jul 15 9.15am

Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted

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two excellent worded post which show the government have divided the public.
privatisation and greed has led to a bad service and instead of improving service and lowering fares,they should be telling the share holders that's your lot they keep the greed going at the cost of staff jobs.

Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am)

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Hoof Hearted 12 Jul 15 9.53am
Quote nickyf at 12 Jul 2015 9.15am Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am Progress? Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys. Everyone complains about the cost of rail travel but when measures are implemented to cut costs, the Unions try to block them by causing travel disruption and misery to the passengers who pay their wages. You know what else is a luxury? Leg room. Actually seats in general are too. Why aren't we just making standing room only, non-air-conditioned carriages where we can fit 300 people in each. That would clearly be the most efficient way of doing things Why are rail prices going up? Is it because of buffet cars, ticket barriers etc which have been in existence for decades? or maybe it's due to the rail services being privatised, which has lead to �200 million payouts to shareholders, almost exclusively paid for by the �4 billion subsidy the tax payer handed out. So, in layman's terms, our taxes were given to rail companies, and instead of lowering fares or improving services, the shareholders decided to cash in themselves! No wonder the majority of the public want the railways renationalised. Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted ------------------------------------------------------- two excellent worded post which show the government have divided the public. privatisation and greed has led to a bad service and instead of improving service and lowering fares,they should be telling the share holders that's your lot they keep the greed going at the cost of staff jobs. Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am) I'm not saying the rail companies cannot do better BUT they took over a crumbling outdated outmoded inefficient BR track signals and rolling stock. It has/will cost Billions of pounds of investment to put it right. As an example look at GWR trying to electrify the line from London to Wales. At Bath they have to contend with listed buildings/structures and the Box tunnel is not high enough for overhead wires so they will need to dig down to lower the track. Everyone shouts about shareholder profit but conveniently ignores the amount of investment needed to get things modernised. In this latest instance the rail companies are trying to improve their service and are being held back by the unions "luddite" stance again.
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Hoof Hearted 12 Jul 15 9.53am

Quote nickyf at 12 Jul 2015 9.15am

Quote homes at 11 Jul 2015 9.53pm

Quote serial thriller at 10 Jul 2015 11.11am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 10 Jul 2015 10.49am

Progress?

Rail Unions objected to ticket staff being replaced by ticket machines, now they want guards to continue to control doors when it can be done automatically or by the passengers themselves. Buffet cars are a luxury and more passengers can be carried without them... they will still be able to employ people to sell stuff from trolleys.

Spot on, completely agree with this. Ridiculous privatising the rail so short sighted

Edited by nickyf (12 Jul 2015 9.17am)

I'm not saying the rail companies cannot do better BUT they took over a crumbling outdated outmoded inefficient BR track signals and rolling stock.

It has/will cost Billions of pounds of investment to put it right.

As an example look at GWR trying to electrify the line from London to Wales. At Bath they have to contend with listed buildings/structures and the Box tunnel is not high enough for overhead wires so they will need to dig down to lower the track.

Everyone shouts about shareholder profit but conveniently ignores the amount of investment needed to get things modernised.

In this latest instance the rail companies are trying to improve their service and are being held back by the unions "luddite" stance again.

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