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 topcat  Holmesdale / Surbiton 17 Jul 15 11.50am |
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I think Hoof remembers the wars first hand.
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 17 Jul 15 11.52am |
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Cucking remembers Thatcher with his hand
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| npn Crowborough 17 Jul 15 11.58am |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS?
You and I would have been killing to get to the front of the recruitment office queue, Jamie.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 17 Jul 15 12.23pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.44am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jul 2015 10.29am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 10.27am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jul 2015 10.25am
I find it odd that many people are prepared to forgive and forget the part this guy played in exterminating hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings yet these same people have such a bitter hatred of Maggie Thatcher, the Bankers and old people who they believe are bleeding the country dry with their pensions.
Probably because they have first hand experience of Conservative policy of the 80s, which Thatcher personally was responsible for. Where as this bloke was an administrator for a few years at the death camps, until he could transfer out to a Waffen SS battalion.
That is to say its less abstracted - WWII was something that happened to other people, so consequently their experience is second or third hand, which distances you from the events. Its less personal. What did Thatcher do to you then Jamie? Gassed your parents?
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 12.37pm |
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Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us. Except its do I join the army or get conscripted, or do I volunteer for the Waffen-SS National Socialist Political Militia. I wonder what people thought they might be getting into when they were handing out the Deaths Head badges. I know I have the benefit of hindsight, but that's the kind of a warning sign? Does anyone really see a skull and crossbones and think, this will end well. I'm pretty confident I wouldn't have joined the SS, because I would have failed the racial purity test (being of Romany decent). Its important to remember that the Deaths Heads weren't solely limited to concentration and death camps, but also battlefield units (notoriously involved in purges on the Eastern Front). The key thing about the SS is that they didn't conscript (until 1943), it was entirely voluntary, and weren't exactly in cushy jobs either (SS Units served in most offensives). Of join the Navy or the Lufftwaffe - Generally fairly safe jobs provided you're not an air crewman. No one joins Ultra-Nationalist Right Wing Racist Militias thinking, this'll be cushy.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 17 Jul 15 12.38pm |
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Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 12.40pm |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 17 Jul 2015 12.23pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.44am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jul 2015 10.29am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 10.27am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 17 Jul 2015 10.25am
I find it odd that many people are prepared to forgive and forget the part this guy played in exterminating hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings yet these same people have such a bitter hatred of Maggie Thatcher, the Bankers and old people who they believe are bleeding the country dry with their pensions.
Probably because they have first hand experience of Conservative policy of the 80s, which Thatcher personally was responsible for. Where as this bloke was an administrator for a few years at the death camps, until he could transfer out to a Waffen SS battalion.
That is to say its less abstracted - WWII was something that happened to other people, so consequently their experience is second or third hand, which distances you from the events. Its less personal. What did Thatcher do to you then Jamie? Gassed your parents? Stole my milk.... but then I did also grudgingly respect her. Didn't like her policies, or the results of the impact on the UK, but she was at least a memorable and determined politicial leader with convictions. There hasn't been too many of those in the left for a long time. Oddly one of my favorite politicians has always been Heseltine.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 12.43pm |
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Quote The Sash at 17 Jul 2015 12.38pm
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us.
For the most part, getting a cushy job in the SS, meant being wounded. The SS tended to reward those injured or rendered no longer suitable for the battle field, with the administration jobs. Of course having certain skills when you join any military force, that are in demand, can be beneficial.
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| npn Crowborough 17 Jul 15 12.44pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 12.37pm
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us. Except its do I join the army or get conscripted, or do I volunteer for the Waffen-SS National Socialist Political Militia. I wonder what people thought they might be getting into when they were handing out the Deaths Head badges. I know I have the benefit of hindsight, but that's the kind of a warning sign? Does anyone really see a skull and crossbones and think, this will end well. I'm pretty confident I wouldn't have joined the SS, because I would have failed the racial purity test (being of Romany decent). Its important to remember that the Deaths Heads weren't solely limited to concentration and death camps, but also battlefield units (notoriously involved in purges on the Eastern Front). The key thing about the SS is that they didn't conscript (until 1943), it was entirely voluntary, and weren't exactly in cushy jobs either (SS Units served in most offensives). Of join the Navy or the Lufftwaffe - Generally fairly safe jobs provided you're not an air crewman. No one joins Ultra-Nationalist Right Wing Racist Militias thinking, this'll be cushy.
Sadly, I'm not that brilliant myself.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 15 12.47pm |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 17 Jul 2015 12.16pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS?
You and I would have been killing to get to the front of the recruitment office queue, Jamie.
One of the best uniforms of all time, is definitely the SS Officer, even the camo pattern SS battle dress was pretty snazzy. I'd need false documents though.
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| The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 17 Jul 15 12.50pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 12.43pm
Quote The Sash at 17 Jul 2015 12.38pm
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.58am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Jul 2015 11.43am
Quote npn at 17 Jul 2015 11.18am
There but for the grace of God go I. No idea what I would have done in this bloke's position. Not volunteer for the SS? Far from that easy. Complicated situation - do I get conscripted or enlist, once in do I want to go to the eastern front or take a 'cushy desk job'. I just don't know, neither do you, neither do any of us.
For the most part, getting a cushy job in the SS, meant being wounded. The SS tended to reward those injured or rendered no longer suitable for the battle field, with the administration jobs. Of course having certain skills when you join any military force, that are in demand, can be beneficial. Id be pissed off if I got wounded in the gift shop....
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