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View elgrande's Profile elgrande Flag bedford 26 Jul 15 2.09pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 1.27pm

Here's a thought: there are about 4000 migrants in Calais. There are an estimated 22000 empty properties in central london, owned by wealthy individuals around the world as investments, thus leading to total ghost towns in parts of the city centre.

How about we put them up in these empty properties, demanding that people who buy property live in them, while also assisting these people in moving elsewhere, finding family, learning English and getting jobs etc.


How about we house our own homeless in them first.
Plenty of ex soldiers living on the streets after serving THIS country.

 


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Quote elgrande at 26 Jul 2015 2.09pm

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 1.27pm

Here's a thought: there are about 4000 migrants in Calais. There are an estimated 22000 empty properties in central london, owned by wealthy individuals around the world as investments, thus leading to total ghost towns in parts of the city centre.

How about we put them up in these empty properties, demanding that people who buy property live in them, while also assisting these people in moving elsewhere, finding family, learning English and getting jobs etc.


How about we house our own homeless in them first.
Plenty of ex soldiers living on the streets after serving THIS country.


Roll on Elgrande,
that would be waaay to simple.

 


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Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.28pm

Quote johnny the eagle at 26 Jul 2015 1.20pm

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 11.43am

Quote Tom-the-eagle at 26 Jul 2015 10.21am

Serial Thriller - so what are you suggesting is done then about the migrants in Calais then?


House them and stop causing the international tensions which result in so many fleeing their country of origin.

I have a question for those on the right who have no sympathy with these poor folk: how bad would things have to get in Britain for you to leave? Would you leave if war broke out? If bombings were frequent? Jeremy Corbyn became PM?

House them, where exactly, I had to laugh at that one.


Must be plenty of old army land or RAF bases with empty barracks.

Classic. Sounds like you're sanctioning some sort of PoW camp for them. Thought they already had that in Calais though.

Fine if our only obligation is to provide them with somewhere to live in safety.

That's not enough though is it. They might need food. And somewhere a bit warmer. Then maybe education, and entertainment. And means to travel if they have to find work. Then bigger and perhaps more luxurious accommodation. It's alright though as long as there's a poor working British family to pay the tax, or would we only tax bankers for the provision?

The do-gooders really have run out of ideas. I've got one, put a migrant in your spare room if it's our responsibility. No of course the obligation would only fall to someone with a bigger house than yours.


Edited by johnfirewall (26 Jul 2015 2.51pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jul 15 2.59pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote serial thriller at 26 Jul 2015 12.45pm

That is an astounding claim Stirling, and suggests a devotion to the concept of the nation state which is almost religious.

If you live in Northern Iraq, or Eastern Syria, your state - as in who claims authority over you - will almost definitely have changed at least twice in your lifetime. You will also most probably have lost a family member to one of the civil wars that have ensued in your state.

What you are saying would have truly revolutionary consequences on people's lives. If you were Jewish but you were born in Nazi Germany, are you to accept the responsibility of that state in handling you and hope for no external intevention? If you were a freedman in Haiti after the Haitian revolution, do you still remain the French state's responsibility because you were born in chains in one of its colonies? Likewise, if you are a child now born in the region controlled by IS, are you saying you have absolutely no right to expect help from the outside world, even if it condemnds you to a life of rape, forced marriage, violence and seclusion?

Your point on why I'm not out there helping is particularly bonkers. I don't have the money to get a flight to Syria, let alone finance an aid mission, and that's why I do what I can within the environment around me: discuss it with people, support people who I see are trying to help, and of course waste hours of my life on a football forum debating in detail what UK foreign policy should be. I think that was actually Nelson Mandela's background before going in to politics too!

I do very much have a devotion to the nation state....It's by people like that which has enabled this country not to be one with its hand constantly out. Still, I think you have rather read too much into one sentence.

I've written on threads several times about asylum status. A concept the right have always believed in.

However I'm concerned more for my own state's poor than for any others.

I believe that the state should take on a set number of asylum cases.....But in reality no nation state can realistically deal with the world's problems.

 


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Quote johnfirewall at 26 Jul 2015 12.37pm

Yeah but some of them actually work and boost the economy
...

They only do the jobs that Brits won't, because the Brits get paid not to.

Cut the bull about fleeing war and persecution as well. They've come from Calais FFS.

It's not like they've got a ticket and there's an obligation to allow them to complete their journey to the UK but I'm sure the French are happy to let them.

Edited by johnfirewall (26 Jul 2015 12.40pm)


That depends upon which set of figures you politically choose to believe in.

Those jobs should be for British workers first.....Not British workers second as in reality is the case.

 


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Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 1.03pm


It's people with your wooly minded train of thought that has pretty much caused this problem in the first place. The last Labour government should be charged with deliberate dereliction of duty as regards to abandoning our borders. As for 'creating their own working community in Calais', well I think you should ask the people of Calais what they think of having all these people camped on their doorstep? I bet you would get a very different point of view.

You have hit the nail squarely on the head.

 


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View Red-Blue-Yellow's Profile Red-Blue-Yellow Flag Surrey 26 Jul 15 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Red-Blue-Yellow Add Red-Blue-Yellow as a friend


Three parts to the problem: The French won't properly police their own territory - The migrants present a threat to British (and other) drivers - We don't need any more people with their skill sets than we've already got.
Three parts to the solution: Retake Calais - Cull the vermin - Begin sending our anti-social thickos to Europe in revenge.

 


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Quote Red-Blue-Yellow at 26 Jul 2015 4.24pm


Three parts to the problem: The French won't properly police their own territory - The migrants present a threat to British (and other) drivers - We don't need any more people with their skill sets than we've already got.
Three parts to the solution: Retake Calais - Cull the vermin - Begin sending our anti-social thickos to Europe in revenge.


I remember Corbyn saying that us changing freedom of movement would backfire on us because the two million Brits living abroad would have to come back.

Yeah, so terrible......Most of them are loaded....That's why they buggered off to live in the Med Sun. Those that are working.....Fair enough....I'll live with that exchange.....They could still work abroad if they really wanted too....Just as talented foreigners here could still get work visas here if we needed them.

Also....At what point are we meant to be concerned about Brits who pay into other countries tax systems or draw pensions or other benefits from here while not paying into the system in anyway?

 


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View fed up eagle's Profile fed up eagle Flag Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 26 Jul 15 5.03pm Send a Private Message to fed up eagle Add fed up eagle as a friend

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm

Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight'

The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely.

Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.


Hardly the same is it? The Jews were being rounded up and gassed, these are economic migrants. They can go somewhere else, we're full. We have enough of our own unskilled labour looking for jobs and they should come first, on the jobs front and on the housing front too.

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 26 Jul 15 5.33pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote fed up eagle at 26 Jul 2015 5.03pm

Quote Kermit8 at 26 Jul 2015 1.26pm

Not hard to see which Hol posters would have supported establishment apathy in helping to rescue fleeing Jews had they been around during 1939-45. 'We've already got 40million - we haven't got the room for Chaim and his family of eight'

The Syrians, Iraqis and Eritreans are no different. To return them would mean at best hard labour or imprisonment and torture, or conscription for life probably. Though execution is just as likely.

Help the most needy first. That is them. We've had it pretty good for well over half a century on the whole. No harm now in helping decent people who have had their homes, families and everything else taken away from them through no fault of their own.


Hardly the same is it? The Jews were being rounded up and gassed, these are economic migrants. They can go somewhere else, we're full. We have enough of our own unskilled labour looking for jobs and they should come first, on the jobs front and on the housing front too.


So you think benefit gorging, work shy, fat, loud, aggressive and ignorant chavs and slobs a la Jeremy Kyle should be put first before some nice, decent, hard-working, family minded and bright people who may happen to have come to the UK from a different country by way of really nasty situations back home which have occurred through no fault of theirs?

So which would you prefer to live next door to if the house were empty and you had to choose between the two? Surely you would put the loud chavs first? They are UK nationals after all.

 


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Quote Stirlingsays at 25 Jul 2015 11.03pm

Quote -TUX- at 25 Jul 2015 9.01pm

They've caused a traffic jam.
Something rarely (if ever?) associated with the Islamic State sleepers that you seem happy to label some of them.
It's an inconvenience for many, including me atm, but that is all it is.

I don't know....lets think.....You're IS.....You want to attack Europe....Mmmmm...They just won't come to you.....Mmmm...how to do it?

I can't decide whether your post is just incredibly naive or that you're just looking to set world records for delusion.



If THE VERY WELL FUNDED 'IS' wanted to attack these shores they could, easily.
You ''can't decide'' because you're dumb.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jul 15 5.48pm

Quote fed up eagle at 25 Jul 2015 6.55pm

A good friend of mine is a HGV driver and regularly goes to the continent. He always has problems in the port of Calais with the chippy illegals now wielding baseball bats, knives and threatening lorry drivers. When the hell is something going to be done about this? As Angela Merkel said, they can't all come here (I'd be happy if none of them came personally).
Why do we even want people like this here? The whole infastructure of the country is creaking under the weight of this population explosion. It started under Labour when they abandoned the borders, the Tories said they were going to sort it out but there seems to be no stemming the flow. Just where is all this madness going to end? We have eastern Europeans living in public toilets, Roma gypsies using a memorial for the 7/7 victims as a clothes line.
Controlled immigration is fine but this is utter chaos! How do we know anything about the people who are streaming in by the thousands?

We don't, that's why they're in Calais and trying to smuggle themselves into the UK illegally, likely as not having paid part of their way here by smuggling routes, or escaping from Asylum centres in France (so on and so forth). Many are people turned away at the UK Ports, without documentation, they're returned to their port of origin.

We should be strict on illegal immigration, but we also need to be stricter on those who profit from them and employ illegal workers in the UK - which is the factor that really feeds the demand.

Genuine asylum cases aside.

 


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