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You don't say how many had entered the UK by channel tunnel/ferry/boat from around Calais.

If there are 6,000 estimated at Calais at any one time,I'd say 90% being over 18 might not be unthinkable.

"These men" (presumably all psychos/rapists and child abusers by definition being non white and poor)being in a school with my daughter? Probably similar to my parents (as children of refugees/economic migrants) being in school with your parents.My parents' parents had come in on forged docs,who knows if dates of birth were legit on them (only way to get out of the hell holes they were in).

Victor Moses was rumoured by some (no doubt falsely) to be older than said at times after coming as an unaccompanied refugee/economic migrant from Nigeria.Definitely not the type of kid to be allowed alongside any of our kids in school or be fostered,surely?

Edited by legaleagle (31 Jul 2015 11.14pm)

Victor was orphaned when he was 11.

Oh lovely. A BBS like bun fight about migrants.

Cutting through the political BS, we have a situation that is causing major disruption in Kent. That has to be addressed and soon. These migrants should be getting nowhere near the tunnel an the French and UK governments have to get their thumbs out of their arse and sort it out.
As for the migrants. How many should we take ? Does anyone have a figure ? Perhaps some people think we can take anyone an everyone who wants to come.
Wrong answer. There has to be a limit and the sooner we stop this abuse of our borders the sooner we can regain control. I can't put the interests of migrants before my family regardless of their plight. Migrants have become akin to the slaves of ancient Rome. They come here and earn next to nothing in order to live in a better place an undermine wages and job prospects for the existing population. I expect some leftie to arrive any minute with some massaged figures to try and prove me wrong.

One person's minor mistake in a hero is another's example of the essence of the man as a "conviction" politician

I didn't suggest racism.I did suggest a seeming propensity (based purely on your prior post) to impute a greater likelihood to engage in sexual offences/harassment against girls aged 11-18 in schools by young men/youths because they were economic migrants/refugees as opposed to,say, within the existing UK school population.

Of course you can quote examples,just as I could quote examples of sexual assaults within schools/care homes by non economic migrants/refugees.Where is your evidence that the incidence of offending by male economic migrants/refugees in schools is profoundly different to that within the school population at large?

According to police data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act in 2014,more than 320 alleged rapes were reported in schools during 2011-14, with the NSPCC saying that pupils’ easy access to online p***.graphy had likely driven the surge in online child abuse. In 2011 alone, there were at least 1,052 alleged sex offences reported in schools, of which 134 were reported as rape. More than half of the claimed offences were said to have been committed by children.

Taking the "Victor" example.If someone was 13 when they came, but classified as being 11,they would be at school potentially when aged over 18...

I don't doubt at all there are various organised scams going on including trafficking of children and false ages being given .No system I've ever come across hasn't been being abused in some way and I'm aware of some of the rackets you refer to.But,its a huge leap to suggest such is the norm amongst say people arriving from Calais or that economic migrants/refugees from Calais are inherently significantly more likely to be rapists/people who engage in sexual assaults of young girls.

In relation to the "legal aid" "gravy train",I think you may find modern reality is that legal aid immigration work is far from being a gravy train for the majority and that those doing it (I don't) could earn somewhat more relatively easily doing other legal work.

As for your comments on immigration control,I don't disagree but to think your post was itself entirely devoid of your own prejudices and ideology (increased likelihood of rape etc because someone is a refugee/economic migrant) would IMO be a misnomer.

I am not sure that anything I wrote could be taken as advocating a "loosening" of existing controls.

Edited by legaleagle (01 Aug 2015 11.26am)

All these pages of discussion about why we should let these people in but NEVER any serious suggestions as to where they will live and how our infrastructure will cope.

Serial Thriller ridiculously argued that only 3% of the UK is built upon, but even if it were true it includes all the parts of the UK that obviously cannot be built upon - mountainous regions, floodplains, dangerous coastal areas, swamps, areas of outstanding natural beauty, agricultural land, ex-mining regions, forests, islands with no safe access or remote locations, etc

We are already at saturation point in the south east and our larger cities for housing density and lack of schools, GP's and hospitals.

Look at the current mayhem with HGV's stacked on the M20 and the traffic chaos in Kent... some of this is down to problems with Calais but it occurs all too often on all the roads around London/SE because too many people are trying to travel on a limited road space. Public transport struggles to cope too, Buses and coaches get clogged up with cars and the rail and underground are too often swamped with commuters trying to get to work or home again.

Food and Water - are we going to ignore how we will feed ourselves and millions more pouring in if we are to build on prime agricultural land?

Anyone that can explain and demonstrate how we will be able to cope in 10 years time with a population nearly double what it is now can lecture us as to the rights and wrongs of allowing millions of new people to be allowed to set up home here.

We cannot house the population we have now and clearly there would be a need for additional schools, GP surgeries and hospitals as well as the staff to run them.

Ignoring this problem won't make it go away - we cannot take any more.

I think it might demonstrate a certain level of bias to suggest the predominant theme of this thread is "why we should let all these people in"

What part of 5,000 people being near Calais and a very small number of them succeeding in obtaining illegal entry leads to a logical conclusion by you that with our present strong non EU national immigration controls and strong border controls (from being an island) it will result in "millions" of such people like those in Calais arriving here?

Taking your transport example.This would have nothing to do with underinvestment over the years and decades and a failure to adopt an integrated transport policy subsidised by the state as a social economic cost for an overall economic benefit to the country,including business?

Edited by legaleagle (01 Aug 2015 11.37am)